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post #16 of 45 Old 11-05-2016, 02:32 PM
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I've been wanting to hone my riding my position and technique, I heard they have classes for that at track, is that true? Because I feel my posture and technique are very wrong on the bike


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Most track day orginazations have instructors and classes to help with that. I go with Keigwins and they have riding instructors along with classes. Last week they Had 3 Ken Hill classes focused on focus, braking, and throttle control.

Here are some track day orgs in CA
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And you can always rent leathers or a bike there: California Motorcycle Rentals for Track Days and Racing
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I AM ONLY OUT OF THE GAME ALIVE AND NOT CURRENTLY LOCKED UP BY GOD'S GRACE. I STILL HAVE TO SERVE TWO 2 YEAR PRISON SENTENCES AND WAS ALMOST MURDERED LAST WINTER AND JUST NOW COMING UP ON 8MTHS CLEAN AND SOBER.

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I second the track day organization idea. BEST "CLUB" ever! And it's nation-wide...as in, it doesn't matter what track or what track day organization you go to, people will still behave the same way, which is generally nice, friendly, helpful, and always willing to have a lot of fun without doing anything illegal or sketchy

Also "membership" fee for this is whatever you want it to be. It can be anywhere from a couple hundred bucks a year to like $10,000, just depends how much you want to spend
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"Motorcycle" clubs are mostly dumb. I'm sure there are some out there that will defy my statement. My opinion is that it's mostly a "group think" mentality, with more importance placed on upholding the "brand", vs being a good rider. IF you really want to hone your craft, I'd suggest partaking of a riding school, or track days, to better help you understand the physics of motorcycle riding. The vast majority of track day/professional riders don't give a shit about your affiliations, so long as you're a competent rider.
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Is there a benefit to joining a motorcycle club? I just see it as less freedom and more shit to worry about.
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In my experience, most "motorcycle clubs" are less about the motorcycle part of things. If you're in this for the lifestyle and the motorcycling part of it (why else would you buy a motorcycle? ) then start finding people to ride with first. The majority of MC's I've come across don't actually do a lot of riding. By this I mean... take off for some twisties and don't come back after 3 tanks of gas and a sore ass. They ride to Mulholland and stand around, I see them an Hooters or Tilted Kilt throwing back beers. Bike Nights are always a good place to stand around and not ride. (Not the I don't enjoy a bike night here and there).

My point is.... ride the motorcycle. Trying to fit in is weird in my opinion. You're already in an exclusive club simply because you ride a bike. What type of rider is up to you. I would probably agree with those talking about that special club, for me... family... the track day. Most of my closest friends are my track family. We are all loyal to each other and would help each other out if we could in any situation. Most of all... we fucking LOVE RIDING MOTORCYCLES!!!! We save the BBQ's for the night before the track day. The beer for after the ride. The violence?? none.... maybe a little dicing it up with a buddy once in a while though

Do whatcha wanna do... but I think the group you're looking for won't have a cutoff leather vest with a patch on it..

My opinions are not that of everyone's. I'm not talking shit to those in clubs... just stating what I've seen over the many years of riding these contraptions.
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You nailed it! And you have to wear silly vests or other crap like that.

In my city of quarter million people there are only a few "clubs", 2 of which are primarily made up of sport bike riders. I've seen some of them around, and I've also seen some of them at our biggest dealer when they had a customer appreciation day and those clubs had reps there to spread the word and recruit more riders. I try not to judge people based on looks, but most seemed to be a bunch of idiots. One of the clubs pretty much requires you to have a knife on you at all times....some of these fools had some massive fuckin knives attached to their belts...like Crocodile Dundee type of knife! lol....plus the black leather vests with the name of the club on the back. Then you see them around town and most of them can't ride worth a shit, and a lot of them spend more money on extended swing arms and LED lights than on anything else. And all they do is ride around downtown reving their engines extra loud, which is the worst and most boring place to ride a motorcycle in any city, because there's a traffic light at every intersection.

I just don't get it...
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In my experience, most "motorcycle clubs" are less about the motorcycle part of things. If you're in this for the lifestyle and the motorcycling part of it (why else would you buy a motorcycle? ) then start finding people to ride with first. The majority of MC's I've come across don't actually do a lot of riding. By this I mean... take off for some twisties and don't come back after 3 tanks of gas and a sore ass. They ride to Mulholland and stand around, I see them an Hooters or Tilted Kilt throwing back beers. Bike Nights are always a good place to stand around and not ride. (Not the I don't enjoy a bike night here and there).

My point is.... ride the motorcycle. Trying to fit in is weird in my opinion. You're already in an exclusive club simply because you ride a bike. What type of rider is up to you. I would probably agree with those talking about that special club, for me... family... the track day. Most of my closest friends are my track family. We are all loyal to each other and would help each other out if we could in any situation. Most of all... we fucking LOVE RIDING MOTORCYCLES!!!! We save the BBQ's for the night before the track day. The beer for after the ride. The violence?? none.... maybe a little dicing it up with a buddy once in a while though

Do whatcha wanna do... but I think the group you're looking for won't have a cutoff leather vest with a patch on it..

My opinions are not that of everyone's. I'm not talking shit to those in clubs... just stating what I've seen over the many years of riding these contraptions.
Maaaan! You just made me think back to some of my favorite bike nights! Those nights in the paddocks during a race weekend...friday or saturday night...grilling out and having some beer or other booze after a long day of riding and racing, hanging out and having a good time with friends, as well as always meeting new good people with the same addiction, er...I mean hobby Those are the good times! Believe it or not, a big reason for why I do this is because of the camaraderie associated with it and the friendships developed over time, and I'm sure many others would agree with me on this!

I doubt you see many clubs where someone would drop what they're doing after a long day of riding and they're already exhausted, so they can stay up until midnight or so helping out a fellow racer work on his bike so that he can be ready in the morning to grid up next to them for the races! And I'm not even talking close friends doing that...even just acquaintances or people they just met!

Can't wait for spring...winter sucks
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Thank a lot for the advice everyone! I think you guys helped me make my final decision! To be 100% honest, I was most likely not going to do it because the more I looked into it, the Moreno saw it wasn't me.... it seems the exact thing I'm looking for is good riding buddies (I already found locals through meetup) and track days! But asking you guys gave me the confidence that I'm not looking at it through a negative lens, instead, I'm seeing the truth behind clubs..... not to disrespect anyone who's in a club, I'm just saying, it's DEFINITELY not for me!

I can't wait to try out these track days! But I am scared of bringing my bike all the way down during turns like you guys do lol


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Thank a lot for the advice everyone! I think you guys helped me make my final decision! To be 100% honest, I was most likely not going to do it because the more I looked into it, the Moreno saw it wasn't me.... it seems the exact thing I'm looking for is good riding buddies (I already found locals through meetup) and track days! But asking you guys gave me the confidence that I'm not looking at it through a negative lens, instead, I'm seeing the truth behind clubs..... not to disrespect anyone who's in a club, I'm just saying, it's DEFINITELY not for me!

I can't wait to try out these track days! But I am scared of bringing my bike all the way down during turns like you guys do lol


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Define "all the way down" lol...to me that means when it's sliding off the track on its side, and you should avoid that

You'll be alright. Just be willing to learn and don't ride outside your comfort zone, at least not too much Remember, we probably all started where you are now. I doubt many here were fortunate enough to start out when they were like 5-6 years old like the pros.
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Define "all the way down" lol...to me that means when it's sliding off the track on its side, and you should avoid that



You'll be alright. Just be willing to learn and don't ride outside your comfort zone, at least not too much Remember, we probably all started where you are now. I doubt many here were fortunate enough to start out when they were like 5-6 years old like the pros.


Hahah by "all the way down" I mean bringing that knee down hahaha... when I turn "hard" on the street I get a little freaked out that my back wheel is gunna go from under me (the hardest I turn is my knee about 2 feet from the ground and at 10mph lol)....

Yeah I want to learn and have a good time, I just have to first get full coverage insurance before I go to track day.... I only have liability because I'm a student who lives in California, so me and money aren't the best of friends


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Hahah by "all the way down" I mean bringing that knee down hahaha... when I turn "hard" on the street I get a little freaked out that my back wheel is gunna go from under me (the hardest I turn is my knee about 2 feet from the ground and at 10mph lol)....

Yeah I want to learn and have a good time, I just have to first get full coverage insurance before I go to track day.... I only have liability because I'm a student who lives in California, so me and money aren't the best of friends


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Yeah, not gonna lie, it's a tough thing to get into on a student budget. I know I wouldn't have been able to do it....thankfully the term "track day" was not even in my vocabulary when I was still in college, so I didn't know what I was missing out on. I've seen some people do it while in college. Cheap bike, mostly stock, cheaper gear, and a cheap old truck or for transportation, and obviously only 2-3 track days a year, nothing excessive by any means. It's doable, but not easy. Regarding insurance, make sure that your insurance will even cover you at the track before you commit to full coverage because most companies in most places don't. Although, I always recommend people that take my MSF classes to go for full coverage on bikes. Unless you have a really expensive and newer bike, the difference is usually not very much. The small difference is well worth the cases where you bin your bike on your own because of a mistake you make, or theft, or fire damage, or some other cause. Honestly, liability really doesn't do you much good at all as a motorcycle rider. It just makes it legal so you can ride, but it's wasted money...at least with full coverage, you may take advantage of that if the need arises.

Regarding turning, honestly the slower the turn the sketchier it is in my opinion. Even after several years of track days and racing, I still feel uncomfortable in slow turns, pretty much anything under 35-ish mph. Also, a lot of people tend to over-exaggerate a lean and then it feels like the bike's gonna fall and they think that's the limit and they wonder how others can lean a lot more. When you get that feeling that the bike's about to drop, it means you're going too slow for that particular radius of turn that you're taking. There isn't enough angular acceleration to push you and the bike towards the outside of the turn, and gravity is overcoming that and is about to pull your ass down if you don't do something about it right away! I see it all the time in my MSF classes and I tell students the same thing. Getting a knee on the ground is really not difficult. It will come with speed as you get a bit more comfortable and up your pace. I suggest you don't make that as a goal though. Too many people (myself included) tend to think that sliding your knee on the ground means you're doing it right and going fast. Not true at all. Many people (myself included when I was a noob) tend to stick their knee out way too much to the point that it actually looks a bit awkward. That turns into poor body positioning, and lack of speed too actually...but hey, the knee's on the ground! Don't mind that my ass is completely off the seat, the knee pointed as far as it can go into the turn and my upper body and head all over the tank crossed up and trying to hold most the weight with my hands on the handlebars because my legs are useless at this point
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Look into 'social riding clubs' in your area rather than dedicated 'motorcycle clubs' which are a whole other ball game. (here's some light reading: MC / RC Differences )

I was always under the impression it was an invite only thing, might be different in the states.


Like the guys above you suggested, do track days and join a local racing club. You'll find all the camaraderie you're looking for there, it'll help improve your riding, and you might make a few lifelong friends.

But on a student budget I recommend that you find some friends in college that are also riding, build a Facebook Page together, organise small social rides in the twisties and a BBQ. I run a social riding group that I started with mates, and we use Facebook to organise everything. We kept it invite only rather than a public group, and if this is something you're thinking about doing then it's the way to go. We like smaller groups under 10 riders that we know can ride and ride like us, rather than huge groups with a lot of strangers.

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I like the local riding organization idea much more. Back in 2010 I started Central Coast Street Bikers on Meetup. At it's peak it had over 300 members from Ventura to Monterey. We didn't have vests, knives, stickers, or anything else to distinguish ourselves from anyone else. What we were was a breakfast group with a riding problem. Or a riding group with a breakfast problem lol. Either way... it was always about the rides! We had some small rides for experienced riders, larger group rides where we'd have 20-30 bikes on a 200 mile ride through the canyons, BBQ's and meet and greets for members to get to know each other, and even did maintenance days and even organized new rider clinics.

Some of those first members are part of my track family. We all met through the passion of riding. Not the passion of acceptance and the by-law that you had to wear a vest and always have a knife on ya

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