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Common Shim Sizes

I'm going to be adjusting the clearances next week amongst a whirlwind of other things. I really cannot afford an $80 shim kit though. I found a website who sells the shims in packs of 5 per size for $5. For all of you who have adjusted yours, what were the most common sizes you used to adjust? I could buy nearly 8 sizes around the most commonly used ones and save nearly half.
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That is a crap shoot. Normally the smaller sizes in my experience. I picked up two kits on ebay $65, used, but I have mics for final testing. Refill kits are nice to have. They are pretty cheap.

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Those shims you are thinking of buying are shitty shims. Low quality and prone to failure

Besides the fact you could potentially end up buying atleast 10 packs of shims to try and have what you would actually need- how is that money well spent

Take it apart inspect clearances, pull the cams measure the shims (some you may well not be able to read a number stamped on them.....but you should mic them all anyways always) then find a local dealer to get them from

good odds if this is the first adjustment you will need atleast a dozen of them

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That's what I was afraid of--- buying a dozen shims at 8-10 bucks a piece. I'll prob have to call the local dealer tmrw to see their pricing options and re evaluate it from there. The bike has 25k, and as far as I know, has never had the clearances checked
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riverszzr- Please elaborate. The khi shims or the Hotcams? So the hardness wore faster than normal?

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Figure out what you need and buy them from your local dealership. Just get the exact ones you need. Often you can swap a few around between different valves and save having to buy a few.

Rivers is going to tell you not to buy hotcams shims but I've used them a lot with no issues. Much cheaper than buying the factory shims.

If you absolutely have to have an OEM shim, you can shop Honda and Suzuki part numbers and see who sells them cheapest. The sizes are standard so many of the bikes use the same size shims.
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I see bikes come in with those shitty K&L and Hotcams shims too often and they have indentations in them of more than a couple thousandths
then don't even get me started on their substandard sizing issues
Sure they may well be okay occassionally but all I ever do with them is throw them away, it is not a risk I am going to take

You want good shims, get Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha shims....they are all the same and the Honda ones are the least expensive plus all these come in .25mm increments instead of .5mm increments- so you can actually be accurate with your adjustments and not simply "close enough"....because close enough is for weapons of mass destruction and nothing more

Those shims can cause mass destruction too....check out the tip of the valve on the left vs the tip of the valve on the right

check out the indentations on these other shims, not even 8000 miles use. Damn it, now I can't quickly locate a picture.....I will find a picture tomorrow
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How could a "soft" shim cause the valve to mushroom(?) like that.

Ps this is an honest question

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Theory is.....since obviously I didn't watch it happen

shim squished, clearances got bigger it was continually run getting pounded because of the extra clearance. This was just stopped before it actually got to the drop a valve point, because that point was coming


Kawi, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki have all taken a stand on this and will only honor a warranty claim if oem shims were used. And you have to prove they are oem

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If you're not already, sign up on ohioriders.net, great group of people and someone there might have a shim kit they'd be willing to to swap out shims with you.

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Granted, I have not ran any Hotcams shims yet. Guess that I will need to stay aware. Thanks riverszzr

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If you're not already, sign up on ohioriders.net, great group of people and someone there might have a shim kit they'd be willing to to swap out shims with you.
I never even knew of that forum, strange. I'll def have to check it out as I don't want to risk anything on this higher mileage bike.

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