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post #1 of 23 Old 11-23-2019, 11:48 PM Thread Starter
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Clear Gasoline - Non Ethanol

Attendant tried to sell me on using “clear gas” or non ethanol racing type gasoline they had at the Shell station today. Is there any benefit to running that in our bikes? I just stuck with the usual premium unleaded as I know the bike is designed to run that and it meets the octane ratings.
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Attendant tried to sell me on using “clear gas” or non ethanol racing type gasoline they had at the Shell station today. Is there any benefit to running that in our bikes? I just stuck with the usual premium unleaded as I know the bike is designed to run that and it meets the octane ratings.
Gasoline without alcohol contains more energy by volume. More energy dense. You would likely see slightly better MPG as a result of using it. I've experienced roughly 10% better in my cars. Not enough to warrant the cost, and that's driving cars that get near 40 MPG.


Octane rating is the measure of how resistant to ignition fuel is. The higher the number, the more stable it is. Anti knock, anti rattle properties. High compression gasoline engines can compress the fuel air mixture enough to set it off before the piston reaches the top of the stroke. Hence the need for higher octane. Same for turbocharged engines.

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Octane rating is the measure of how resistant to ignition fuel is. The higher the number, the more stable it is. Anti knock, anti rattle properties. High compression gasoline engines can compress the fuel air mixture enough to set it off before the piston reaches the top of the stroke.
I’ve always wondered exactly what US octane rating we can get away with in our bikes. The ethanol-free gasoline in my neighborhood says 87 on it. I don’t know if that is adequate or not. Traditionally I have always used the 91 rated premium fuel - with 10% ethanol added - in my bike. Obviously the ethanol-free gas would be better than using ethanol for corrosion protection in the long-term.
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I always use premium, on the premise that the actual RON/MON may not be exactly what the pump delivers. More chance of it being acceptable, from the high side of the stated requirement.

Years ago, pumps actually had certification stickers on them indicating that the fuel quality was actually routinely tested...... Haven't seen anything like that in VA, and don't know when the last time I saw one was.

Because of this, I tend to use the same brand of gasoline from a limited number of stations, and I try to use the same pump each time I visit a particular station. Using one National brand rather than multiple sources of even more questionable provenance gives me a small amount of peace of mind.

All I'm trying to do is limit the variables, should a fuel related problem arise.

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Having said that, I would not hesitate to run a tank of mid grade, if I had no option. I would very likely run that tank for a limited time, and top it up with high grade at first opportunity.

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This makes sense, and honestly I could care less if I get more mileage out of my bike. It gets decent mileage even when I’m riding fairly aggressive. I’ll stick with the premium I usually put in it.
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Very hard to find ethanol free locally except for the $$$$ stuff at the track. On my long bike rides I've found a lot of it west of the Mississippi. Always buy the ethanol free if I can but usually run premium. Only run 87 when premium is unavailable. I pick premium w ethanol over 87 without unless I'm at a half a tank. Then it's like fill-in with midgrade which is OK with me. Have run 4 or 5 tanks of 87 in the last 20,000 miles due to that's all that was available. When filling with 87 from near empty always ride carefully and try to avoid the extremes of performance - top of RPM range and full throttle or low RPMs. Anyone old enough to remember cars before knock sensors and how they would "rattle" at low RPMs and under load?
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I only use ethanol free..........
and I highly recommend everyone else do the same

fuck the gubmint mandating and stealing tax dollars to force a product on us that we have to subsidize.......... Everyone should stop buying ethanol fuel!
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I’ve always wondered exactly what US octane rating we can get away with in our bikes. The ethanol-free gasoline in my neighborhood says 87 on it. I don’t know if that is adequate or not. Traditionally I have always used the 91 rated premium fuel - with 10% ethanol added - in my bike. Obviously the ethanol-free gas would be better than using ethanol for corrosion protection in the long-term.
The User Manual for my 2009 says minimum octane rating is 90.
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I’ve always wondered exactly what US octane rating we can get away with in our bikes. The ethanol-free gasoline in my neighborhood says 87 on it. I don’t know if that is adequate or not. Traditionally I have always used the 91 rated premium fuel - with 10% ethanol added - in my bike. Obviously the ethanol-free gas would be better than using ethanol for corrosion protection in the long-term.

Wierd that your ethanol free is only 87

the only way to get anything better than 89 here is to buy ethanol free........ either 91, 92 or 93 depending on where you buy it at

all the shit with ethanol is either 87,88 or 89 sans E85.............. and you won't catch me burning any of those in anything I own

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Wierd that your ethanol free is only 87

the only way to get anything better than 89 here is to buy ethanol free........ either 91, 92 or 93 depending on where you buy it at

all the shit with ethanol is either 87,88 or 89 sans E85.............. and you won't catch me burning any of those in anything I own
It’s branded as “Clear gas” - like the OP said was offered to him. Only 87 available.
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It’s branded as “Clear gas” - like the OP said was offered to him. Only 87 available.

I am pretty sure "clear gas" is just some regional idiotic lingo for the same thing as "ethanol free" or "pure gas" or "no ethanol added" to the rest of the world!!!!!!!

So again- super surprised that this 'clear gas' you speak of only comes in 87-----completely stupid really, what do all the people in the area do with their 60's hot rods that don't like ethanol and don't like 87 octane either, or all the lawn care companies, chain saw people etc..................

Ethanol is the devils spawn and just another of the myriad of worthless government bullshit programs with stolen taxes from joe taxpayer!!!!!!!!!!!

It is akin to forcing my tax dollars to pay for illegals, scurge of the earth!

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