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post #1 of 21 Old 11-23-2019, 11:39 PM Thread Starter
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Traction Control: Have you noticed it? Do you ride with it turned off?

So seems more than a few times I’ve noticed my bike doing something when heavy on the throttle. The best I can describe it is a quick stutter in the power. This has happened with TC on 1-3 but I haven’t tried with it off. Is this the TC cutting power? Some days have been cold with cold tires but my bike has just broken in. I’ve been only around 10k rpms at max when I noticed this.

Do you guys always run your TC? Do you ever turn it off completely? Thought I’d ask, thanks fellas.
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post #2 of 21 Old 11-24-2019, 06:51 AM
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I run it on Tc1. It is a good safety net. I ride mostly canyons. The bike will stutter if you ham fist the throttle. No reason for me to turn it off. Other than the occasional wheelie, but that's rare. My Zx6 is a 13'. The TC works great and you will rarely feel the transition.
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I run it on Tc1. It is a good safety net. I ride mostly canyons. The bike will stutter if you ham fist the throttle. No reason for me to turn it off. Other than the occasional wheelie, but that's rare. My Zx6 is a 13'. The TC works great and you will rarely feel the transition.
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I usually run TC 1 - hot and sunny 2 - overcast and cooler 3 - wet or very cold. I agree it works great. I’m sure it’s saved me a few times while learning. I haven’t tried it but will these bikes come up pretty easily with it off? I have no urge to wheelie high but I think power wheelies are cool lol.
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Nothing, he just doesn't know what else to say.
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post #8 of 21 Old 11-26-2019, 05:31 AM
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I run my '15 ZX-6R on full TC (Mode 3) in all conditions, the only time I ever notice it is when I give it the berries from a standstill on a surface that maybe has a little loose grit or whatever on it.

It just stutters (almost like a misfire) then takes off once it's found grip.

Other than that I never notice it. The TC systems on our bikes aren't that advanced, certainly nothing like the Ducati TCS & R1 etc.

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Not advanced? On Tc1, I have come out of a corner that I just had a knee down and get on the gas hard while the bike goes into a controlled slide. I repeat, A controlled slide, in control. Leaving a black stripe. Yes, that is how good it is. There are probably better systems out there but this one is pretty darn good.
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On another note, I have a 2012 Zx10 that can and will do the same thing.......
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I run mine between TC1 & 2 depending on how wet it is out. I do play around and wack the throttle sometimes depending on my mood (I love my 6<img src="https://zx6r.com/images/smilies/winkwink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />) and it’s very active, even has a bar that jumps on the speedo screen while it’s sputters
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Our TC on our bikes are primitive. It was designed& introdiced first in 2013, back when TC was just getting kicked off. Its the exact same system as on the 2011-14'ish ZX-10R's. It was however state if the art at times and it was really the first supersport to have TC.
However, Kawasaki has done a piss poor job at upgrading it and anything else electronic, but thats what you get with a Supersport. Kawi & other manufacturers gross profit is not vert high with SuperSports because they arent high sellers. Most morons thought is, "why not spend an extra $2k and just buy the literbike?"

Now, how the TC system works is simple. It uses the speed sensor in the front & rear wheel to simply detect wheel slip. As far as wheel speed sensor TC, its actually the best one made. It's nowhere near as advanced as modern TC with a multi-axis IMU (Internal-Measurement Unit) aka a gyro.
Now how it controls that slip is by 3 ways. In TC Mode 2 & 3, it deploys all 3 forms; Ignition cut-off, fuel cut-off & timing
Mode 1 just retards the timing.

So yes, when your tires are cold & you spin your rear tire, even without knowing, or simply your front wheel floats/skips off the ground, even just getting light while still on the ground, your TC will engage. How I fixed that, is I have my own FlashTune cable & can flash my ECU. So I have a rare special map where an actual racing team tweaked the TC Mode 1 map. Now, my bike wont spin off the line, but I eliminated that when I chucked the POS OEM tires & went with Q3's at just 500 miles and then even more so when I switched to Pirelli Rosso Corsa's.
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Not advanced? On Tc1, I have come out of a corner that I just had a knee down and get on the gas hard while the bike goes into a controlled slide. I repeat, A controlled slide, in control. Leaving a black stripe. Yes, that is how good it is. There are probably better systems out there but this one is pretty darn good.
Hmmm..."controlled slide".. it certainly doesn't do that. Ducati Slide Control and R1 slide control systems are ultra state of the art using 6 axis IMU's communicating directly to the ECU and taking over throttle control and engine braking to control slides.

Our wheel speed sensors that simply cut ignition aren't doing any such thing as "controlling slides".

We'd all love to be leaving big black strips and getting the knee/elbow down like riding gods....
But who REALLY is?

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Come out to California some time and I will show you how it's done. I can do it with TC on or off. Let me know when you are coming. You may need to get out more to see shit like this.....we ride year round so the learning curve is pretty steep. Ya, the weather is 300+ days of clear, dry good riding weather. But I digress, if you cannot get it done on track and off. You will never understand.
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