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2nd Gear Help (again)

Hey guys. My bike is back together and she was riding just fine for a little while but today when I went into 2nd gear I started getting very obvious clicking noises. Pull the clutch and it goes away, let it out and it’s back, definitely speeds up or slows down with wheel speed. Every other gear is fine (except needing a clutch replacement now... god why). Hoping it’s something related to the gear shift - seemed to have to increase my foot up-shift distance after it happened. Any clues?

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So you did something wrong or used old parts and they seemed to work for a bit and now dont?

Does that about sum this up, looks like you get more practice at taking things apart and "fixing" them................
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Transmission is from a bike with half the miles of my engine, everything but the throwout bearing was fine and functioned properly, I’ve replaced all the races and such. Not sure why used parts are a problem but either way I’m feeling like it’s a shifter/shift drum problem and not the trans itself. Pulling the pan this morning to investigate.
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Well here we have it. Found a tooth in my oil screen. Mother fucker. Getting really sick of taking the engine out of this thing.
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Well at least you figured that out. Are you just going to buy a gear and replace it?

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Damn thats crazy how it just breaks the tooth off like that.
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Well at least you figured that out. Are you just going to buy a gear and replace it?
I have the original transmission - i found out after i bough this one that i simply had a loose sprocket nut that was causing a skip but put this trans in anyway. I don't really trust the trans in it now so I'm going back to the original. I’ll swap over any parts that look better. I’m not paying $120-$160 PER GEAR to build a new trans.
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Damn thats crazy how it just breaks the tooth off like that.
I know, I’ve never seen something like this before, usually it’s multiple teeth/gears.
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Figured this time around I’ll just drop the bottom half of the crankcase out - shafts should come with it and wont have to take the whole engine out again.
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Never mind, have to drop the engine. I fucking hate myself right now

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Never mind, have to drop the engine. I fucking hate myself right now
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Will probably call a tranny place tomorrow and see if they can at least inspect the one I have that I want to put back in. I wonder if the gears could be heat treated to strengthen them up a bit.

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I wouldn’t bother. Is this bike that old? Kind of a lot of work for such an old one. 2009 or newer is a cassette. Easy and fast transmission swaps. Relatively

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As you found, the only way to split the cases is with the engine out of the chassis............. so you should be getting good at that by now- what is this 5th time or more

Using old (used) parts is always a crapshoot.......... $70-$120 per gear is pretty standard pricing

And I would certainly go out and spend the $100 or so on all new gaskets your orange silicone shit slathered everywhere is disgusting, and it certainly is not the proper method to seal the case halves............. be the best $100 you could spend on the bike IMO!

So you think you are going to find a transmission specialist for a motorcycle transmission
or are you talking about going to some car shop and have one of those knuckleheads tell you about your motorcycle transmission
I mean they should be able to look at it and look for wear and they should know how it operates to know where to look- but beyond that they are likely clueless and even this may be giving them far too much credit for too many of them........... Always the pessimist!!! People are lazy fucking idiots- proven fact!

So what does the mating gear look like? - guess it does not matter if you throwing in your old trans that the c/s spun around and around on the output shaft........... (where is the picture of that damage?)

You did get very lucky in that, that piece of the gear tooth fell seemingly harmlessly into the oil pan rather than get caught up wedged between the input and ouput shaft gears and gernade your cases and engine......

cryo treating may make them brittle, heat treating, they already are......... you would be far better served to undercut atleast the upshift side and then ISF treatment to polish it all......... likely to run in the $500 range total for an entire trans (plus shipping to and from)

if all you are doing is riding it around on the street until the next thing breaks on your 20+ year old bike, and don't have a huge personal connection to the bike, just install oe parts and ride the bike.........
if on the other hand you don't mind spending the monies and actually having something, then spend the monies and hand someone will skills the entire engine and let them work the magic and then with a smile happily hand them a few thousand dollars for thier time and efforts and Thank them! (but yes, this would be more than the entire is worth now or ever)
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