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post #16 of 28 Old 02-15-2019, 06:48 PM
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With a very low torque value I would only go finger tight before use of the torque wrench. If it's a 'clicker' type, you need to be able to feel when it indicates you've got the right value. Normally it's just a little pop of the handle, pretty subtle if you're not familiar.

Second point is setting the wrench to the proper value...... There's usually a vernier scale that you have to rotate the trip around the shaft, to set it to the correct line for the right force.

The shop manual will tell you the bolt tightening sequence, and how many states of tightening you'll need.

Even if you did everything right, a previous owner could have damaged the bolts. Unusual to break many in the same maintenance session.
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Cool, thanks a lot man. I'll update this when I get the bolts (they are on backorder so had to buy from kawiparts which were 80 freaking dollars for bolts). Wanted to make sure I was doing everything right one more time before I threw the change in the drain even more.
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Bit late to this - if its the cams that are going in, then start by just using a normal ratchet and go round systematically as you will be tightening down and opening the valves - try to keep a similar gap at all caps. Keep going until the bolts are just seated and no more gaps (this would be "finger tight" if the valves werent fighting against you).

then torque wrench and in the order of the manual.
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post #19 of 28 Old 02-17-2019, 07:27 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you, bolts should be here this week so let's hope haha. The manual said to seat the cam cap so I figured that meant to put the cam cap all the way down. Little did I know doing that breaks bolts haha.
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Been awhile since I've been on here...so I went through HELL with my valve adjustment on my 05 zx6r this past summer. (Should have bothered you riverszzr, but I was being super stubborn not asking for help on here...like all males who refuse to ask for directions on the road in the good ol days before smartphones )

Only after trying to set timing with #1/4 at TDC for the 5th time, did I realize that my EX/IN marks on the cam sprockets were not aligned with the block, since I left the Valve cover gasket on....wooopss Once I pulled the gasket off it was super easy to line up the EX/IN marks and have the appropriate amount of chain links between the two to set timing.

Lesson learnt....take your time, read the manual..again and again and again. IF something doesn't work do not force it, check your work, then check it again, and again.

Follow the bolt torque sequence too...people love to ignore it for some reason and just dive right in there to tighten everything like it's a marathon

OP...good luck! Let us know how it turns out

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Appreciate it! So the bolts are on manufacturer backorder. So I have located 2 sets of used bolts in case some look even the least but sketchy I will be using them to get 20 out of. My luck for all this to happen and also be on backorder. But it will be done. Timing and cams are all set just gotta put the cam cap on and recheck my clearance to verify and run through to make sure nothing is binding (recheck work) and then it'll be good. At the time I created this I was very upset because I had thought that I did everything correctly then bam. But after the help of you guys and a few guys on some other forums I do believe I have figured it out. Will update!
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"timing and caps are all set just gotta put the cam cap on"

Awefully tough to have cam timing set accurately without the cam cap actually being on correctly! and completely! Especially since it will rotate some as soon as you start to torque it down since you are opening some valves

but hey- you seem to think you know what you are doing, but anyone who can break even one cam cap bolt clearly doesn't!

I have re-used the same cam cap bolts in my engine through 15 valve adjustments thus far, and some of my past bikes way more than that since the intervals were shorter and the miles I drove them were more than twice as much......... the bolts at +/-100inch lbs will last forever unless you abuse them!
I have race engines here that are more than 25 years old that get serviced every single year and then add in some tuning assembly/disassembly and no doubt those have been apart and together atleast 30 times or more and nope..........never any issue with any cam cap or cam cap bolt
You clearly did it wrong and substantially so to break them! Did you figure out what you did wrong?

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Awefully tough to have cam timing set accurately without the cam cap actually being on correctly! and completely! Especially since it will rotate some as soon as you start to torque it down since you are opening some valves............
^ THIS...can't tell you how frustrating it was to try to set timing, and as you finish the tightening sequence on the cam cover bolts it slips a tooth at the last little bit, then you have to loosen them all and start over, so frustrating

riverszzr any tips on that for future valve adjustments on my end? lol
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i presumed he meant cam cover and not the individual 10xindividual caps for the cams..........i hope
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^ THIS...can't tell you how frustrating it was to try to set timing, and as you finish the tightening sequence on the cam cover bolts it slips a tooth at the last little bit, then you have to loosen them all and start over, so frustrating

riverszzr any tips on that for future valve adjustments on my end? lol
I know the service manual often states to use #4 at TDC but often having #1 @ TDC works out better for how many and where the valves being opened effect installation

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i presumed he meant cam cover and not the individual 10xindividual caps for the cams..........i hope
he broke cam cap bolts and is waiting for new ones.........He means the cam caps not the valve cover

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Okay update to the forum, I have received my bolts and have a running bike now! Thank you for everyone that helped negative or not. I apologise for asking a stupid question to some but am thankful for you all. Everything g went without a hitch and I'm glad that nightmare is over now to forget how to do it until the next time and redo it alllll over. (not).
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Reason I said it was all set was because I used the marker on the chain and the cam sprockets to make sure it is correct. I also double checked my work.
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