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This is the first post continuing my life as a track day junky. Of course, since the 636 is new, it will be a slow transition from the 650R. Anyway, I wanted to get this thread started in case someone wanted to give some initial pointers for moving to the 636 and since track days are only 4 months away (eek!, time flies). It looks like I ended up creating a book so if no one reads this, I understand. I will have shorter posts, videos and pictures come April.

For a little history, the first day was on 9/9/2012 riding a 2009 650R. It was the Street Rider program offered by TrackAddix. I then bought gear and did 5 more days in 2013 and 7 days in 2014. I would have more track days but while the wife understands my addiction, she is not entirely supportive of it.

The start of 2014, I had lap times fast enough for the A group. I then had my first low side in 2014 at MPH (Motorsport Park Hastings) due to a heavy throttle hand, long session and lack of tire PSI attention. I had another low side a month later in the rain (and then some reservations). I scored my best lap a few months later. Throughout that time, I slowly added parts that I felt needed an upgrade (as can be seen in my sig) and should be doing the same thing with the 636.

Currently, on order I have Woodcraft frame sliders (and I am aware of potential consequences), adjustable levers since the clutch reach is just a bit too far and fender eliminator which has nothing to do whatsoever with tracking but the stocker is just huge. I might get some Techspecs also. Like the 650R though, still a street bike (and a budget) so no extremes yet. I also wanted to mention that if anyone tracks MPH or MAM, the Racechrono app is a nice addition for tracking laps on the cheap.

I plan to have my weight with gear around the 180-190 range. Yeah, I would love to get that lower but I do have a bit stockier build at 6 foot. I am initially going to set the bike at 30mm sag, if possible or get new springs if at the edge of adjustability.

Link to my 650R videos if anyone cares. I will be continuing with these and then merging in the 636 videos. As info, some of this was for the sake of getting good shots for some other riders also. I am going move away from that as I noticed it takes away from my learning.

https://www.youtube.com/user/XPyrion650
 

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Yeah, definitely not a sweet exhaust note. I can't wait to hear the 636 screaming down the straight.
 

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Thanks for the observation. That is about where I am at and I have heard that a few times. Now I just need to pick up speed. In order to do that though, I have to improve the consistency in my form and controls. Without that, I don't have the confidence to pick up speed.
 

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The April 19th track day was rained out except for the first session so I only went out on the 650. I couldn't wait any longer though so I made a quick decision to do one tomorrow. Here is something to show at least. Should have some more shots and video later this week.

 

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First track day on the ZX6R complete. I spend the first half of the day on the 650 and the second half on the ZX6R.

First impression is that the ZX6R feels much more comfortable at lean as compared to the 650. Acceleration is much faster and took me a bit to get used to. While the 650 would never induce bar wobble, I had quite a few instances where I had to control it on the straights. While it is possible to avoid wobble, it takes concentration and a damper would let me focus on other things. My only fear is that a damper would hide what I would call my issue of too much pressure on the bars. Still working through on how to properly right myself while keeping bar pressure low enough. The bumps didn't help either.

I have mixed feelings about the braking. I was bottoming the forks which most people said would happen. Not sure if that was causing my uneasiness. I just put EPFA's on the 650 and once warmed up, they are amazing. On the ZX6R, the stock pads seem consistent but not the same kind of bite at speed. They had no problem stopping so probably just something I need to adjust to for now.

I didn't really have it in me this track day and they added some greasy seam filler which made me a bit more cautious but for comparisons sake, here it is. My best lap time ever on the 650 for this track is 1:51.55. This weekend, it was a 1:58.75. On the ZX6R, I hit a 1:53.37. Pretty happy with that result.

A couple of pictures and a fast lap. It would be a fastest lap but of course I forgot to hit the record button on the last session. I will add a compilation later and some more notes.

Make sure you have energy and fluids.


Track prepped ladies.




Fast lap.
http://youtu.be/RZYGHWQa0jU
 

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I am still a novice group track guy so take what I say with a grain of salt...

Assuming the numbers on the sides are your brake markers, in alot of corners it appears like you're making your turn in point really earky (before the last brake point)

Am I correct in my observation or are you purposely taking a line that turns in that early?
 
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XPyrion, Great video man. You make me want to track mine for the first time. Also, I loved when you passed up the 300.
 

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Great advice on keeping up your energy and fluids! You may have an easier time of it if you focus on only one bike. Splitting your time between them wont allow you to get comfortable on either.

As for bottoming your forks, a couple of turns of preload may help with that until you can get the bike properly sprung but if you are bottoming, that will absolutely take away some of your confidence on the bike.
 

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I am still a novice group track guy so take what I say with a grain of salt...

Assuming the numbers on the sides are your brake markers, in alot of corners it appears like you're making your turn in point really earky (before the last brake point)

Am I correct in my observation or are you purposely taking a line that turns in that early?
You are correct. I don't have the same confidence in the 650 and I am riding the 636 like the 650. Probably SR's also. Overall, it was not a good day on the 650 and I only had a few sessions on the 636, not enough to correct the issues. The 636 was yearning for me to push it more and sadly, I just wasn't prepared for that.

Going with what Painful said, if I go to one bike, that will allow me to adjust to the 636 better. The reason I am doing both right now is to get a comparison between the two. Same bike on same day allows me to do that more accurately. Since I am changing bikes at the half point, only the second bike (636 in this instance), requires me to get readjusted.
 

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The GPR did everything I hoped it would. At first, it felt a bit strange since I have never used a damper before. Once warmed it, it felt great. I started the day on setting 5 and ended on 10. I may go a bit higher next time out.

I went out on the 650 first again just to check things out and beat the 636 by less than a second today. I did get my fastest recorded time on the 636 though so that is looking up. Next time, 636 first and possibly only.

I will leave you with a picture I took during the break and I should have a compilation video up later this week.

 

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Which forks were you bottoming? The Zx6? I weigh 175 lbs. with no gear and have stock springs on my 2013 Zx6r and do not bottom the forks. Maybe you need help setting them up. A bit of compression dampening goes a long way. You use a zip tie, yes? I have an Ohlins rear shock but did not change my fork springs. They work good for me. I'm A class in So. Calif. to give you an idea of my background. There are some fast Mo Foos out here.RockStorePhotos | PM session 05/11/2014 | D4C_6145
 

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Yeah, I did say bottoming but I am about a cm away. I should have said fear of bottoming since I am not braking as hard as I could be. I currently weigh 190. I adjusted the preload to 3/4 max and will look into messing with some of the other settings next day out.

Since I took the 636 out for the second half again, I didn't really get the track time needed to make adjustments. There were only 2 hours left and 4 offs in that time, most likely due to a cooling track. It kind of screwed with my rhythm.

After watching some videos, the reason I was not faster on the 636 is due to throttle out of corners. It appears that while the damper makes me feel more comfortable, I am still slow on the throttle as compared to the 650. Something I will be conscious of next time.
 
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