Not another oil thread!!!

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Whitehouze

Discussion Starter · Mar 26, 2015

Ok so I need to do an oil change decided to go stock filter with semi synth motul anyway the question is ...........

How many of you fill the filter prior to install and your thoughts? I have an 07 zx6r and the placement blows I used to always fill it on my other bikes but I will lose a lot if I fill it and dam messy? I will lube the gasket around the filter and put a bit in the filter but fill it? Ps Ill end up losing the rest out of the dam valve cover gasket anyway lol waiting for the dealer to take me in for the FAR....
Let me know and thanks in advance

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Ey3l45h

· #2 · Mar 26, 2015

On my zx(05 better placement) I put "some" oil in the filter, my klr has the kind without the case(don't know the technical term) so it always goes in dry.

I add the amount of oil in the manual or on the case, and check it after a short easy ride add if required. Well, let's be honest, I check the oil on mine (especially the klr) all the damn time. Never noticed the zx drinking any, but the thumper she drank 400 ml in 1000 miles once, and had another ~200 ml in the last 1000.

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zexer

· #3 · Mar 26, 2015

i don't put any oil in it or anything i put a dab on the o ring thats it. i don't see a point in putting oil in the filter considering its gonna pass through it eventually. i even do this same method in all my cars including my "go fast car"

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bod

· #4 · Mar 26, 2015

I always prime the filter on my 06, every time i change the oil

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dark6r

· #5 · Mar 26, 2015

On my '13 I've always put it on dry (with a dab on the o-ring of course) as I've done literally a hundred thousand times in 15 years working a garage. Fill the vehicle with oil (about 80%-90% of expected amount of "full"), run at idle for a SHORT amount of time (a couple minutes should suffice) and be mindfull of any strange noises such as knocking (stop if any occur), check oil level again and top up if needed. Never failed me with hundreds of different vehicles.

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Scorpi0

· #6 · Mar 26, 2015

Why do people fill the filters anyway? Whats the point?

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AlexZX6R

· #7 · Mar 26, 2015

Scorpi0 said:
Why do people fill the filters anyway? Whats the point?

To make a mess and watch it spill. Kinda fun.:laugh

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killing time

· #8 · Mar 26, 2015

I prefill the fillter on my cars but I dont see why you would try on a bike. I dont know if all models have the same filter placment but my like the OP is on its side so it would just pour out as soon as you install.

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RJ2112

· #9 · Mar 26, 2015

Scorpi0 said:
Why do people fill the filters anyway? Whats the point?

If the filter is full, you reduce the time the engine has no oil being circulated. The pump takes the oil from the pan, and pumps it into the filter..... then, on to everything else that needs oil. All of your engine bearings. The oil pressure sensor is 'after' the filter. That's why the light stays on when you first start the motor, with a new filter.

If the filter has oil in it when you install it, that 'zero pressure' time is reduced. Probably from the 2 second range to less than one.

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lockey99

· #10 · Mar 26, 2015

On my 07 I fill it about a third up...hardly spills any that way and better than installing bone dry

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riverszzr

· #11 · Mar 26, 2015

Scorpi0 said:
Why do people fill the filters anyway? Whats the point?

My diesel truck, the filters, yes 3 of them, hold over 1.5 qts each, damn right I fill them, I am not going to let the damn engine run with no oil pressure waiting on the first 4.5-5 quarts to fill the filters before it finally gets to the engine........plus they all hang vertical- so I can fill them right to the top and never spill a drop

Mustang and the Focus- same procedure as the motorcycles, since these filters are horizontal

Motorcycles........always fill them about 3/4 full when I start the oil drain process.... by the time I am actually installing the filter, the paper element (or synthetic element) is completely soaked and the filter is only about 1/3-1/2 full and no spillage.... some bikes I can fill further and some less full- but always there is oil in them and always a skim of oil on the o-ring

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zx6ixxer

· #12 · Mar 26, 2015

I've always put some oil on the o-ring of the filter but never any in the filter itself.

Usually I will put the drain plug on the bike, new filter, fill er up 3.6l (or however much my bike states... I forget). Run it to temp, shut it off and give a few minutes so it settles. Then I check the oil level and add if necessary.

Hopefully I am doing it right :O

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max41

· #13 · Mar 26, 2015

Well I think I've learned something here. I never use to fill the oil filter but the point about the dry running time I think is a valid one. However, on my 650R and 2014 6R, the filter is on its side so it is gonna make a mess and spill out.

So, how about this technique:

1) While the oil is draining, fill the new filter will new oil on the bench and let it soak into the paper element.
2) With the system drained, and the drain plug in place, pour the excess oil in the filter back into the bottle or the engine leaving just a little and oil the gasket.
3) Screw the oil filter on
4) Fill with new oil.
5) Start, run for a few minutes and then shut down.
6) Wait a few minutes and top off the level.

The key here is to at least pre-soak the paper element in the filter so oil will enter and move through it quickly.

Just my thoughts...

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