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These were from this weekend at Summit Point where the weather couldn't make up its damn mind. Both days had a mixture of dry races and wet races. First one was GT500 in the dry, and this was one of my favorite races so far, fighting it out with a guy that has been at a similar pace as me at every weekend that I've raced so far. There were a few turns where I was faster than him and some where he was faster than me. In the end I got him by 0.041 seconds at the line!


Second one was probably one of the most frustrating races I've had because the rain started just minutes before the race. I hauled ass trying to swap to rain tires and I barely made it out for the warm-up lap just in time thanks to a couple of guys who helped me out with one of the tires when they saw I was running out of time. I think this was the only time I've ever been more tired BEFORE the start of a race than at the end of a race lol. The other frustrating part is I couldn't make the pass for 3rd place. I was pushing pretty hard for those conditions and almost crashed into the guy a couple of times but just couldn't make that pass safely. Disappointing because I really wanted that podium place. When I looked at lap times I realized my best time was only 0.4 seconds slower than the winner's best time, and 1.8 seconds faster than the guy in 2nd place, but unfortunately I lost way too much time on the first couple of laps until I settled in and got used to the wet track.

 

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Awesome man, nice work. What's a race weekend on the 300 cost you vs a TD weekend?
It depends on how many races you do. This weekend was a twin sprints, meaning almost every class races twice (once on Saturday and once on Sunday). So I did 5 races, but normally I do 4. If you preregister, the first race is 85 and the others are 65. You also get 2-3 practice sessions on Saturday and a couple of sessions on Sunday included in that. So normally you can run 4 races and a few practice sessions for $280. If you want to calculate $/lap racing is more expensive, but don’t think of it that way. I’m sure nobody that races thinks of it that way. For me it’s more about the quality of the laps and riding and how much fun I’m having. In that regards I do think you get more out of it for the money.
 
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It depends on how many races you do. This weekend was a twin sprints, meaning almost every class races twice (once on Saturday and once on Sunday). So I did 5 races, but normally I do 4. If you preregister, the first race is 85 and the others are 65. You also get 2-3 practice sessions on Saturday and a couple of sessions on Sunday included in that. So normally you can run 4 races and a few practice sessions for $280. If you want to calculate $/lap racing is more expensive, but don’t think of it that way. I’m sure nobody that races thinks of it that way. For me it’s more about the quality of the laps and riding and how much fun I’m having. In that regards I do think you get more out of it for the money.
I agree it's not really an apples to apples comparison. There is an intensity and anticipation that is so much different with a race weekend than a track day. It's hard to describe to someone who hasn't experienced it. I think the camaraderie between racers is also a little more than amongst trackday riders. Yeah you might meet some new people and make friends at a track day, but it's not the same as racing the same guys in a series over multiple rounds of a season.
 

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It depends on how many races you do. This weekend was a twin sprints, meaning almost every class races twice (once on Saturday and once on Sunday). So I did 5 races, but normally I do 4. If you preregister, the first race is 85 and the others are 65. You also get 2-3 practice sessions on Saturday and a couple of sessions on Sunday included in that. So normally you can run 4 races and a few practice sessions for $280. If you want to calculate $/lap racing is more expensive, but don’t think of it that way. I’m sure nobody that races thinks of it that way. For me it’s more about the quality of the laps and riding and how much fun I’m having. In that regards I do think you get more out of it for the money.
Um. You forgot the most expensive part of a race weekend. Tires! :BigGrin
 

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I agree it's not really an apples to apples comparison. There is an intensity and anticipation that is so much different with a race weekend than a track day. It's hard to describe to someone who hasn't experienced it. I think the camaraderie between racers is also a little more than amongst trackday riders. Yeah you might meet some new people and make friends at a track day, but it's not the same as racing the same guys in a series over multiple rounds of a season.
Yep! Exactly! Especially when you get people that barely know you to come to your aid in swapping tires in the rain, when they just announced 2nd call for the race! You don't get that sort of camaraderie anywhere else as far as I'm concerned!
 

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Um. You forgot the most expensive part of a race weekend. Tires! :BigGrin
Umm...I'm trying to give out as little cost info as possible to not scare the guy away from trying it! Way to ruin it! I purposely didn't mention the money spent on tires, gas, travel, food, beer, gate fee, etc. lol

But to be fair, the little bikes are easy on tires. Some of the guys I'm racing with are throwing money away on tires in my opinion, but I'm still on the same set I've started with. I've got 4 weekends plus a track day so far on my current set and I plan on using them at the next round at NJMP as well. Then I'll probably get a new set after that just because I'll be doing an endurance race so I want a fresh set for that. So a $360 set of tires (the 110/140 tires are cheaper) for 5 weekends and a track day isn't bad at all.
 

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Umm...I'm trying to give out as little cost info as possible to not scare the guy away from trying it! Way to ruin it! I purposely didn't mention the money spent on tires, gas, travel, food, beer, gate fee, etc. lol

But to be fair, the little bikes are easy on tires. Some of the guys I'm racing with are throwing money away on tires in my opinion, but I'm still on the same set I've started with. I've got 4 weekends plus a track day so far on my current set and I plan on using them at the next round at NJMP as well. Then I'll probably get a new set after that just because I'll be doing an endurance race so I want a fresh set for that. So a $360 set of tires (the 110/140 tires are cheaper) for 5 weekends and a track day isn't bad at all.
I see everything as a dollar sign, so ya I added all that up in my head hahaha
But really the price doesn't sound that bad compared to a track day. Still need tires for a trackday, probably getting a little less out of mine on the ZX6 anyhow, always paying for gas...usually 2 tanks in a weekend (for the truck alone), food I've figured how to do on the cheap luckily. Either way you gotta pay to play in the end. I'm definitely interested in trying some racing within the next 2 years I would say. If I do it I'm looking at either the little bike classes or probably twins to start. Not sure I wanna go all in with the 600 class to start, plus I'm definitely one of those people that think little light-weight bikes are too much fun.

Are you doing the endurance race at VIR in August? have seen a bunch of ads from N2 on that one.
 

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Um. You forgot the most expensive part of a race weekend. Tires! :BigGrin
Not really, because tires are still an expense for track days, unless you are running novice on street tires. But anyone who is making a personal comparison between the cost of track days versus racing, is going to be riding somewhat similar paces whether racing or track days, so the tire expense will be similar. Yeah you push a little harder during a race weekend, but you also don't put in as many laps. It's basically a wash.
 

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Umm...I'm trying to give out as little cost info as possible to not scare the guy away from trying it! Way to ruin it! I purposely didn't mention the money spent on tires, gas, travel, food, beer, gate fee, etc. lol
Doh! My bad! Racing is cheap! Everyone should race!:lol
 

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I see everything as a dollar sign, so ya I added all that up in my head hahaha
But really the price doesn't sound that bad compared to a track day. Still need tires for a trackday, probably getting a little less out of mine on the ZX6 anyhow, always paying for gas...usually 2 tanks in a weekend (for the truck alone), food I've figured how to do on the cheap luckily. Either way you gotta pay to play in the end. I'm definitely interested in trying some racing within the next 2 years I would say. If I do it I'm looking at either the little bike classes or probably twins to start. Not sure I wanna go all in with the 600 class to start, plus I'm definitely one of those people that think little light-weight bikes are too much fun.

Are you doing the endurance race at VIR in August? have seen a bunch of ads from N2 on that one.
I think that's the right approach. Don't do what I did and start out on a liter bike lol

Honestly I would get a lightweight (like an FZ-07) right now if it wasn't for the fact that they grid them up at the same time as the little bikes. We share most of our races with the lightweights, so having a bike for each class does me no good. So you have to pick one or the other. Both classes I think would be fun, but from what I've noticed the little bike classes tend to have a few more people on the grid, plus they score them combined (experts and amateurs). With the lightweights it's not uncommon to have only like 3-4 amateurs on the grid which doesn't make it all that fun. Sure you get much better results that way and a higher chance of winning a championship, but is that really that much fun??

Yes, I'm doing the WERA endurance race at VIR in August. It'll be my first event with WERA and my first time at VIR.
 
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I agree racing small bikes is more fun per dollar than big bikes. The only reason I'm not considering getting rid of my ZX6R racebike right now is because I am on an endurance team running a 250/300 ninja. If the budget is tight for a certain weekend, I can just leave the ZX6R at home and still get plenty of laps racing the 250/300.

For many years I only ran small bikes (bandit 400, fully built ascot single with FZR 400 front and rear suspension, SV650, etc.)
 

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I think that's the right approach. Don't do what I did and start out on a liter bike lol

Honestly I would get a lightweight (like an FZ-07) right now if it wasn't for the fact that they grid them up at the same time as the little bikes. We share most of our races with the lightweights, so having a bike for each class does me no good. So you have to pick one or the other. Both classes I think would be fun, but from what I've noticed the little bike classes tend to have a few more people on the grid, plus they score them combined (experts and amateurs). With the lightweights it's not uncommon to have only like 3-4 amateurs on the grid which doesn't make it all that fun. Sure you get much better results that way and a higher chance of winning a championship, but is that really that much fun??

Yes, I'm doing the WERA endurance race at VIR in August. It'll be my first event with WERA and my first time at VIR.
Ah, I gotcha. I'm kinda surprised, I thought there was pretty good turn-out for the lightweights. As you know I'm mighty interested in the FZ's, seems like everyone has an SV, just kinda like being different. Wish the older Ninja 650 was a little easier to get to the same level as those two bikes.

Haven't rode VIR yet, but watched MA there. Really awesome track, I think you'll have the R3 to the max speed more than a few times on the long straights lol Can you make it through an endurance race on one set of tires?
 

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Ah, I gotcha. I'm kinda surprised, I thought there was pretty good turn-out for the lightweights. As you know I'm mighty interested in the FZ's, seems like everyone has an SV, just kinda like being different. Wish the older Ninja 650 was a little easier to get to the same level as those two bikes.

Haven't rode VIR yet, but watched MA there. Really awesome track, I think you'll have the R3 to the max speed more than a few times on the long straights lol Can you make it through an endurance race on one set of tires?
Have you not listened to anything I said? lol...I'll have like 5 weekends and a track day on these tires easily by then, which is WAY more than a 2-hour endurance race. That race will be about 60 laps give or take. A typical CCS weekend yields about 40-55 laps, depending on how many races I do and how many laps I feel like doing in practice. So the tires will be fine. I'm more concerned about fueling. Supposedly last year there was a dude that did the whole race on one tank of gas on an R3...BUT...it was in the rain, so the pace was slower and therefore fuel consumption wasn't as high either. I don't think we'll be able to pull that off. I'm also not set up for a quick-fill tank and jug, so I guess we'll probably just put in a gallon or so during the rider change and lose a bit more time (like 20 seconds or so) with the fueling. Oh well...

The R3 tops out at pretty much every track I've been to so far except for CMP. Depends a lot on the wind direction, but at NCbike, NJMP and Summit Point I've hit around 106-108 mph which is pretty close to max with my gearing. That's 6th gear with the shift light flashing and reving somewhere north of 11,500 rpm. I don't quite expect that at VIR. The front straight there is not actually that fast based on what I've seen from others. NJMP and Summit Point are a bit faster. If they ran the whole course, then maybe cuz I think they have a long straight in the back section, but I'm pretty sure they'll only run the North course, which is what MotoAmerica and CCS run too.
 

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Have you not listened to anything I said? lol...I'll have like 5 weekends and a track day on these tires easily by then, which is WAY more than a 2-hour endurance race. That race will be about 60 laps give or take. A typical CCS weekend yields about 40-55 laps, depending on how many races I do and how many laps I feel like doing in practice. So the tires will be fine. I'm more concerned about fueling. Supposedly last year there was a dude that did the whole race on one tank of gas on an R3...BUT...it was in the rain, so the pace was slower and therefore fuel consumption wasn't as high either. I don't think we'll be able to pull that off. I'm also not set up for a quick-fill tank and jug, so I guess we'll probably just put in a gallon or so during the rider change and lose a bit more time (like 20 seconds or so) with the fueling. Oh well...

The R3 tops out at pretty much every track I've been to so far except for CMP. Depends a lot on the wind direction, but at NCbike, NJMP and Summit Point I've hit around 106-108 mph which is pretty close to max with my gearing. That's 6th gear with the shift light flashing and reving somewhere north of 11,500 rpm. I don't quite expect that at VIR. The front straight there is not actually that fast based on what I've seen from others. NJMP and Summit Point are a bit faster. If they ran the whole course, then maybe cuz I think they have a long straight in the back section, but I'm pretty sure they'll only run the North course, which is what MotoAmerica and CCS run too.
To be fair I did not realize it was only 2 hours (still a lot of racing). For some reason I was thinking it was a 4 or 6 hour race. But ya, I could see easily getting 2 hours out of that set of tires on your bike. I work with a dude who used to run the pit for his buddies doing some 24 hour endurance races, I couldn't even imagine that shit.

I was definitely thinking full course when looking at the map, but if only north then ya I could see what you are saying. The straight still looks very long, but I didn't look up the measurements for them. I guess it sorta has a right hand kink in it that breaks up the straight.
 

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To be fair I did not realize it was only 2 hours (still a lot of racing). For some reason I was thinking it was a 4 or 6 hour race. But ya, I could see easily getting 2 hours out of that set of tires on your bike. I work with a dude who used to run the pit for his buddies doing some 24 hour endurance races, I couldn't even imagine that shit.

I was definitely thinking full course when looking at the map, but if only north then ya I could see what you are saying. The straight still looks very long, but I didn't look up the measurements for them. I guess it sorta has a right hand kink in it that breaks up the straight.
Yeah the little bike race is 2 hours, then other classes are 4 hours each. I'm ok with that though, because I haven't ridden more than like 20 minutes at once anyway, so this is a good way to get into endurance racing without getting too crazy all of a sudden. Kinda like an intermediate stepping stone for endurance racing. But yeah the 24-hour races are nuts! I wouldn't even want to attempt anything more than like a 6-hour, and even then only if I have 2-3 other riders on the team lol
 
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