My personal opinion. Do not get a 2 brothers. Get rid of the pre-muffler and install a pinebox designs straight pipe, then a slip on. Like you suggested Leo Vince is a great choice, there is also Graves,M4, the MGP Growler, Yoshimura, Akrapovic is the best. Just my 2 cents.

 

Thanks but I don't need a list of exhaust systems, I've already narrowed it down to the aforementioned brands.

And you didn't explain why I shouldn't get Two Brothers.

Ok Nyxesque. Get a 2 brothers. But do not say. I did not warn you not to. That warning should be enough right there. Have a fantastic evening and ride safe.

Yea I don't view your warning as the word of god that shalt not be questioned....

So moving on.



Thank you for taking the time to warn me complete with explanation.

Jesus fucking christ. Someone had a bad day. :laugh :laugh

All you had to do is explain your reasoning. Don't be butthurt I called you out on your immature answer.

I actually want to learn from people who don't mind helping me out by taking the time to explain, so can you please stop now.



I use my bike to commute, but I also use it for the twisties & I also will use it for track days.
Will I be wasting a full exhaust system?

I can assure you. If you think someone is butthurt as you would say. Then the joke is on you. ROTFLMAO, you fell for it. :laugh :laugh

Sorry but this was awesome. I had to quote it all just in cae anyone missed it. That quickly went downhill from offering roses last week to the bickering this week. Are you guys married?


In all seriousness though, Alex you gotta admit, she said she was trying to learn and wanted information. You offered an opinion and no support and she called you out on it. For all she knows your reasoning to "not get a 2bros" is because you had a bad customer service experience with them.
Anyway, sorry but that was funny.


As everyone already said a slip on is pretty much just sound and looks. I just bought a Yoshi slip on and I know its only for sound and looks. If you are hoping to get anything noticeable out of the bike other than those 2 things, I would suggest a full system. I can not give you any helpful information on which full system. I have no experience with them

 

Thanks but I don't need a list of exhaust systems, I've already narrowed it down to the aforementioned brands.

And you didn't explain why I shouldn't get Two Brothers.

 

2Bros will eventually set your bike on fire...plus their quality is known to suck. Get an M4 GP...it wont disappoint!

 

Ok Nyxesque. Get a 2 brothers. But do not say. I did not warn you not to. That warning should be enough right there. Have a fantastic evening and ride safe.

 

Yea I don't view your warning as the word of god that shalt not be questioned....

So moving on.

2Bros will eventually set your bike on fire...plus their quality is known to suck. Get an M4 GP...it wont disappoint!

Thank you for taking the time to warn me complete with explanation.

 

Jesus fucking christ. Someone had a bad day. :laugh :laugh

 

All you had to do is explain your reasoning. Don't be butthurt I called you out on your immature answer.

I actually want to learn from people who don't mind helping me out by taking the time to explain, so can you please stop now.

Ok lets get serious.... a slip on isnt gonna do much to your bike besides make it look and sound better. A full system will give u more power but if youre gonna be riding streets then its gonna be a waste...especially in LA traffic. Sooo.... u could check out youtube and search for different vids of the exhausts ur considering and see which one u like more. And Tommy is right... theres a million people running 2bros out there and only one or two catching fire is expected... I guess lol. We just like hating on 2bros for entertainment

I use my bike to commute, but I also use it for the twisties & I also will use it for track days.
Will I be wasting a full exhaust system?

 

All that hate on the 2 bro is because 1 and only 1 person had it burn down from some other thread. But I'm 100% sure there was more to it than just the exhaust causing it to burn alone. Don't listen to them I think u made great choices on the exhaust. To each his/her own. And yes u can add full system to a slip on later if u choose.

 

Ok lets get serious.... a slip on isnt gonna do much to your bike besides make it look and sound better. A full system will give u more power but if youre gonna be riding streets then its gonna be a waste...especially in LA traffic. Sooo.... u could check out youtube and search for different vids of the exhausts ur considering and see which one u like more. And Tommy is right... theres a million people running 2bros out there and only one or two catching fire is expected... I guess lol. We just like hating on 2bros for entertainment

 

I'd suggest suspension or brakes first off.
An exhaust will change the sound of your bike but you wont notice much difference (if any). If you're doing a lot of track days or racing, then sure, exhaust mods are the go. Suspension or brake mods you will notice the improvements straight away and you be able to use these improvements more easily/frequently.

 

Thanks, I will take all of that into consideration for performance improvements down the road.

Right now I want to do the exhaust.

 

Nyx, with some brands, you can start with the slip on then get the cat eliminator later. Nothing wrong with two bros either.

Off the top of my head I think Graves and Akra have link (cat delete) pipes.

 

I recommend a nice slip on.

You will still get the nice look and sound you are after and wont have to deal with the additional tuning required to accommodate a full system. Not to mention, a slip on will be much cheaper than a full system.

These bikes already make so much power and unless you are a serious racer that needs to squeeze out as many ponies as possible from the motor, really no need for the full system.

 

I can't decide if I want a really nice slip on or mediocre full system?
People keep telling me a full system is a waste of money, I don't need the extra power, it's a huge hassle to install, blah blah blah.

I really like the way Two Brothers & M4 sounds but I kinda wanted an Akropovik or Leo Vince...

DO NOT GET A TWO BROTHERS. I've got a black series carbon fiber and it's whiny as hell. I'd like to kick the guy in the nutz who designed it.

Get a Yoshimura R-77 or Akropovic and call it a day.

 

And stay away from full systems, because they're a slippery slope of a money pit. You install one, and you'll be running lean at high RPMs causing damage to your engine.

You'll need to get software and remaps to fine tune the engine, then pay a really good mechanic to do the tune. It's just not worth it unless you plan on racing.

No one really cares if you can say "Oooohhh, look at my shiny new full exhaust system that I just paid a grand for and then had to shell out another $500 to get it installed and running properly."

If you really wanna go fast, get some better tires and just ride. Practice makes perfect.

 

Akras & leos are what ive personally owned on 3 different bikes. The newer leos part#8448 u cannot make it into a full system later if u decide to get a slip on now. They do make headers but they dont make a link pipe for that particular model. The older models u can though. Sound & quality is top notch. Leos always have the dry carbon fiber look vs akras which have a glossy cf look. Akras are just too notch. If youre looking for looks, sound & power gain all in 1 package then look no further.

2bros are basically a used coffee can wrapped in 3M carbon fiber wrap. Throw in some rivets & sticker & u get that r&d look. I have a 2 bros in my garage right now on a 2004 R1 (dual pipe) & the single midpipe that exits to the 2 cans only exits out 1 of those cans...wtf? So the other can is basically just for looks & it's coming loose. Not to mention the cf & black colored bits are peeling. I have to admit though that they have 1 of the best sounding exhaust.

M4 are awesome & u get a lot for their cheaper then normal price. I tend to view them as very loud from my previous experiences on the 06 gixxers but that is not the case with the 2011 zx10r. Theyre still louder then most quality exhaust imo.

 

IMO, aftermarket exhaust is useless. How's that you sons of bitches.

 

I disagree. More horsepower through freer-flowing exhaust back pressure and significantly lighter weight. How you like 'dem apples?? lol.

 

Youtube clips to help you decide. I have a MGP growler and like it, but I also do like the M4s. Like others, I've heard mostly negative about 2Bros. GL

 

I've heard that suggestion more than a handful of times & I'm not really sure why unless maybe a lot of people just base their decision on sound quality alone. :O
I like basing my decisions on a variety of information.

Btw, there is a whole thread dedicated to this that you can research. http://zx6r.com/zx6r/38486-2013-636-exhaust-options.html

Thanks but I already know which options are available for my bike. So the one I mentioned are what I've narrowed it down to.
Minus 2Bros because of all the hate. :nana:

What do you ultimately want out of your bike?

A full system takes quite a bit of weight off with the benefit of added power (assuming the header has larger/smooth primaries). I have a full Akra (street) system and it weighs just under 11 lbs. The stock exhaust on my 09 (and probably very similar on the 13-14) weighs ~26.5 lbs. The full system also requires a good tune, which requires block off plates to do right.

A muffler is literally just for changing the sound and adding volume -- so pick one that would give you the sound (and look) you prefer.

Edit -
I believe with both Akra and M4 you can create a full exhaust through separate pieces/purchase [though it's cheaper to do it all at once]. You can't do that with most other exhausts.

Based on this (& a couple previous comments) I'm leaning a lot more towards Akra or M4 slip on.
I do love Leo Vince, it has a very stylish look but if I can create a full exhaust when I'm a more serious track rider, that would be really awesome. :rockon

 

I really like the way Two Brothers & M4 sounds but I kinda wanted an Akropovik or Leo Vince...

Out of those 4, I would pick the akro or leo if you want something just a bit louder than stock or the M4 if you want something to wake up the neighbors. Two brothers does not seem to have good craftsmanship.

Assuming you want the GP or Slayer M4 that is. You can get mid-pipe replacement for the akro or leo if you want to eliminate the pre-chamber. M4 won't need it since it goes in replacement of the pre-chamber and oem muffler.

Full exhausts are nice, but you will need PCV or Bazzaz with either dyno tune or generic map from online to change the fuel/air ratio for it. It just depends on how much time and $ you want to spend on the exhaust.

Btw, there is a whole thread dedicated to this that you can research. http://zx6r.com/zx6r/38486-2013-636-exhaust-options.html

 

Out of those 4, I would pick the akro or leo if you want something just a bit louder than stock or the M4 if you want something to wake up the neighbors. Two brothers does not seem to have good craftsmanship.

Where does this misconception come from? TBR exhaust are just as well built as anything.

What about this looks low quality?

 

M4

 

What do you ultimately want out of your bike?

A full system takes quite a bit of weight off with the benefit of added power (assuming the header has larger/smooth primaries). I have a full Akra (street) system and it weighs just under 11 lbs. The stock exhaust on my 09 (and probably very similar on the 13-14) weighs ~26.5 lbs. The full system also requires a good tune, which requires block off plates to do right.

A muffler is literally just for changing the sound and adding volume -- so pick one that would give you the sound (and look) you prefer.

Edit -
I believe with both Akra and M4 you can create a full exhaust through separate pieces/purchase [though it's cheaper to do it all at once]. You can't do that with most other exhausts.

 

With a slip-on I don't really care about gaining anything, just as long as I don't lose anything either.

 

I have a Leo Vince CF slip on and it's great, and shaves a couple of pounds I guess. It keeps my bike really quiet, I was definitely the quietest bike at the track sunday. Hopefully it'll be under the 90dB limit for laguna seca.

Don't go too loud, no sense getting super loud exhaust and then having to wear ear plugs...

 

Your question is about a slipon right? Gain is...less weight and other than tone nothing else besides looks.
Make a personal desicion and dont look back. All youre going to get is opinions from opionated people.
Like another poster said pull up some youtube exhaust sound vids and or visit your local bike night at starbucks.

 

Like another poster said pull up some youtube exhaust sound vids and or visit your local bike night at starbucks.

I only go to bike nights when I'm getting paid.
I prefer to spend my time riding.

To the OP why do I feel like I'm reading a discussion about which Michael Kors purse should I buy? Your questions have been answered many times over on this forum and others, do a little research and pick one, buy it, enjoy it simple.

I've done research.
If my thread bothers you, feel free to stop reading it at any time. :2fingerlol:

Well I don't think she's going with exhaust for a performance mod so it really doesn't matter.

Based on what information? Saying I like the sound of something doesn't mean I don't care about performance. I have some money I can spend on a big purchase & I'd like that big purchase to be the exhaust, while I can buy the little purchases along the way.
Please don't assume because I mentioned sound (once) that I'm just trying to make my bike really really noisy.

I've come to realize that people will post stuff based on assumption a lot on this forum, just like on all the other car and bike forums I've been on.

To the OP just do some basic research on google and get the information you need instead of baseless facts and opinions.

:sleeping: This again?

What makes you think gathering together rider's opinions is the extent of my research?

 

Get a clean, used full system from Leo, Akra, Yoshimura or Graves.

 

Just go straight to the source. Pay particular attention to the weight savings:

Two Brothers Racing :: Kawasaki ZX6R Exhaust Systems

 

Riiiigght. Because manufacturers would never lie or even over-inflate numbers about their products :hmmm:

They don't even use the same weight values for the STOCK SYSTEM. Is it 16 or 9 lbs?

 

Well I don't think she's going with exhaust for a performance mod so it really doesn't matter. If you want sound go with a megaphone. I think they are annoying as all hell but if you want to be heard that's the way to go. Slip-on's in my opinion (which... since we are all sharing) are useless aside from cosmetic and sound effects.

But people ride for different reasons and if you aren't really tracking it or wanting to increase performance then it's really a matter of personal opinion... kind of like picking what purse you want to buy (lol smokey... whodafuq is Michael Kors?).

You might check out Sato too. They make slip ons but I don't know if they do for your bike. I have a full system on my bike and it sounds pretty badass.

That said: the whole weight reduction thing USED to be such a huge deal because the stock header pipes were so heavy. Someone was telling me that the 09's came with titanium headers stock, so maybe that's the case on most newer bikes? I haven't been paying THAT close of attention to the stock exhaust specs so I'm not even sure if that's true. Seems like a lot of money for the manufacturers to be dumping into bikes stock, though. I could see it with the Euro bikes but not so much the Japanese bikes.

My Sato system is super light, as is the Arata in comparison to what the original pipes weighed but these days it might not make that huge of a difference.

 

Definitely no stock titanium headers on the 09-14. They seem to be a low grade of stainless.

Hint - if you can stick a magnet to it, it's not titanium


Edit -
Kawasaki probably added a Ti bolt somewhere and called it a "titanium exhaust"

 

I've come to realize that people will post stuff based on assumption a lot on this forum, just like on all the other car and bike forums I've been on.

To the OP just do some basic research on google and get the information you need instead of baseless facts and opinions.

I have a Two Brother's carbon fiber Black Series slip-on. I KNOW it has high quality construction, is lightweight and frees up some horsepower. I also know it's loud as hell. Don't believe me, then just go youtube some soundclips.