So I bought a 2010 monster edition zx6r in hopes to learn to wheelie on it and eventually stunt it. I have been practicing wheelies on it in a parking lot with the stock sprocket. I can usually get it up a few feet in first gear but 2nd gear is almost impossible. I thought I’m just not good at wheelies so I let my friend try to wheelie it who has a 636 and he said it won’t go up in 2nd gear and he had to go 40mph in first to get it to stay up. My friend was saying he thinks it was build as a track bike. Now I’m kinda disappointed what should I do? I want to learn to wheelie good, is there anything I could do to make it easier to wheelie or should I just get a new bike? I have a 55t back sprocket and chain for it but idk if I want to put it on it or not.
2010 zx6r wheelies
So I bought a 2010 monster edition zx6r in hopes to learn to wheelie on it and eventually stunt it. I have been practicing wheelies on it in a parking lot with the stock sprocket. I can usually get it up a few feet in first gear but 2nd gear is almost impossible. I thought I’m just not good at wheelies so I let my friend try to wheelie it who has a 636 and he said it won’t go up in 2nd gear and he had to go 40mph in first to get it to stay up. My friend was saying he thinks it was build as a track bike.
Now I’m kinda disappointed what should I do? I want to learn to wheelie good, is there anything I could do to make it easier to wheelie or should I just get a new bike? I have a 55t back sprocket and chain for it but idk if I want to put it on it or not. Any thoughts or recommendations??
Now I’m kinda disappointed what should I do? I want to learn to wheelie good, is there anything I could do to make it easier to wheelie or should I just get a new bike? I have a 55t back sprocket and chain for it but idk if I want to put it on it or not. Any thoughts or recommendations??
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Lol. Stock gearing you should be able to do third gear sit down wheelies allday long. And stand ups in 4th and 5th. . Keep practicing. IT IS NOT THE BIKE
If you want a little more pep down low run 15/48 combo. Then you should be able to do sit downs in 4th and stand ups in 6th at 70-80mph
If you want a little more pep down low run 15/48 combo. Then you should be able to do sit downs in 4th and stand ups in 6th at 70-80mph
The bike in my profile is actually my old same gen model as yours. Forget the exact year but same gen for sure . Running a 15/45 gear cause I rode it from tenn to Saint Louis for a stunt ride.
They make decent stunt bikes. 03/04 and 19/23 are way better stunt bikes but only because of durability not for ease of riding. The swing arms on your gen are what we use on the 03/04”s because they just wheelie easier for some reason. And they’re stronger.
how are your clip ons positioned? If you have stock clip ons you can flip them. Run the left on right and vice versus. Keep the safety swivel screw out so you can push them a little straighter. Just doing that makes wheelies a lot more comfortable without buying anything. But if you truly want to stunt then the best thing you can spend money on right now is gas gas gas. Once you can pop it up in first and catch it with your brake and ride a controlled wheelie then start buying stunt parts. Clip ons, hand brake and whatever. Until then don’t ruin the value of the bike if you’re not going to follow through with it. Stunt bikes Are very hard to sell because half of us are morons and trash bikes pretty bad. So AtLeast buy a cage. Cocks stunt works is your best option for stunt parts for that bike. Affordable and great quality.
but the bigger you gear up the rear the easier it is to control wheelies. So if you don’t want to street ride do like a 15/55 or even a 60 combo. If you still want to ride the streets and not be wide open all the time don’t go any bigger than 15/48. Maybe 50 if you avoid the interstate. But 48 should be your ideal target range to be able to do slow stuff and still run 140mph
They make decent stunt bikes. 03/04 and 19/23 are way better stunt bikes but only because of durability not for ease of riding. The swing arms on your gen are what we use on the 03/04”s because they just wheelie easier for some reason. And they’re stronger.
how are your clip ons positioned? If you have stock clip ons you can flip them. Run the left on right and vice versus. Keep the safety swivel screw out so you can push them a little straighter. Just doing that makes wheelies a lot more comfortable without buying anything. But if you truly want to stunt then the best thing you can spend money on right now is gas gas gas. Once you can pop it up in first and catch it with your brake and ride a controlled wheelie then start buying stunt parts. Clip ons, hand brake and whatever. Until then don’t ruin the value of the bike if you’re not going to follow through with it. Stunt bikes Are very hard to sell because half of us are morons and trash bikes pretty bad. So AtLeast buy a cage. Cocks stunt works is your best option for stunt parts for that bike. Affordable and great quality.
but the bigger you gear up the rear the easier it is to control wheelies. So if you don’t want to street ride do like a 15/55 or even a 60 combo. If you still want to ride the streets and not be wide open all the time don’t go any bigger than 15/48. Maybe 50 if you avoid the interstate. But 48 should be your ideal target range to be able to do slow stuff and still run 140mph
While I find stunting pointless, I agree with the above. When it comes to the capabilities of our motorcycles, in almost every case the bike is fine and it is the loose nut on top that is the problem.Keep practicing. IT IS NOT THE BIKE
If OP really wants a good stunt trainer he should buy a dirt bike or a supermoto. Even someone as incompetent as myself can wheelie those with little effort. A major bonus is they crash much better than street bikes and don't need $$$$ in repairs for a basic low speed crash. A second bonus if you practice off road is that dirt is much softer than pavement for those times you inevitably screw up and crash.
Mark
I use to feel the same way about stunt riding. I rode freestyle moto after I raced. I rode in the Tony hawk huck bam boom boom tour. (Shows my age). And we had a street stunt team show up and it was the first time I’d ever seen it and I thought it was the goofiest shit I’d ever seen. All dancing around on the bike like a moron. But the following night they gave me a bike to go on a street ride with them. And by the end of the night I was hooked. I still totally get how people find it goofy. But I absolute love just grabbing my bike in the middle of the night and going to find an empty parking lot and just ride. It’s something I can do for me and by myself. I’m not much of a team player anyways and it’s a great stress reliever . And it’s a lot harder than it looks but once you get the 12oclock brake control down it becomes super fun. And it makes you an over all better rider in the long run. It flips people out when you can roll couple hundred feet up to a redlight on the front wheel. Then just stand it up and pull out the same speed as they do lol. It grows on you I guess. I still like going fast but I’d rather just be goofing off going slowWhile I find stunting pointless, I agree with the above. When it comes to the capabilities of our motorcycles, in almost every case the bike is fine and it is the loose nut on top that is the problem.
If OP really wants a good stunt trainer he should buy a dirt bike or a supermoto. Even someone as incompetent as myself can wheelie those with little effort. A major bonus is they crash much better than street bikes and don't need $$$$ in repairs for a basic low speed crash. A second bonus if you practice off road is that dirt is much softer than pavement for those times you inevitably screw up and crash.
Mark
op if you can afford a grom. By far the best bang for your buck to learn to stunt. And they’re a blast to just ride around on. But like mentioned getting a dirt bike helps. But I will tell you it doesn’t transition very well. I could scrape my dirtbike fender for years. Back flip. Do all the major freestyle stuff and when I went to street bikes having the basics helped. But you still have to learn because the position is so much different. Rasing your clipons or even running dirtbike bars helps alot
Sport bike 12”s are ten times harder to do that dirtbike. But learning to cover and catch the brake before you loop is the most important thing and it’s what’s holding you back now. I don’t mean this in a bad thing but if you had the balls to rev dump that bike in 3rd I promise you it’s got the power to loop your shit out if you dint catch the brake in time lol.
if I can scrape the fender on my 2005 Harley 883 in 3rd. Your zx6 without a doubt has enough power lol.
I can see that if you live in a city. I live in the country, so a parking lot is a trip for me. OTOH, this is the view out my office window this morning (I work from home most of the time):But I absolute love just grabbing my bike in the middle of the night and going to find an empty parking lot and just ride.
Straight through the trees past the corrals is my small MX track and I have trails covering all 9.5 acres. I can walk out and ride my KTM anytime I want, so it is like you finding a parking lot and riding at night. All the variety out there is what makes the world go 'round.
Mark
No. I live on a 500 acre motocross park. I have zero neighbors lol. I have a gun range in my yard. And 3 moto tracks 2 dirt flat tracks a freestyle course and a campground lol. But there is A abandoned school a mile down the road we bought last year for storage so I keep the parking lot and the baseball field and stuff open for the public to use. It’s not really big but good for one or two bikes to not get into each other.I can see that if you live in a city. I live in the country, so a parking lot is a trip for me. OTOH, this is the view out my office window this morning (I work from home most of the time):
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Straight through the trees past the corrals is my small MX track and I have trails covering all 9.5 acres. I can walk out and ride my KTM anytime I want, so it is like you finding a parking lot and riding at night. All the variety out there is what makes the world go 'round.
Mark
Very sweet. I'm jealous of all the land, ours is fun but too small to really let loose on a full size bike. I can shoot here, too, so we both get to enjoy that as well. Country living FTW.No. I live on a 500 acre motocross park. I have zero neighbors lol. I have a gun range in my yard. And 3 moto tracks 2 dirt flat tracks a freestyle course and a campground lol.
Mark
Thanks guysVery sweet. I'm jealous of all the land, ours is fun but too small to really let loose on a full size bike. I can shoot here, too, so we both get to enjoy that as well. Country living FTW.
Mark
When I retired in 2010 from moto we sold our house in the subdivision and moved down to the track full time so we could run it ourselves and I tell ya I wouldn’t move back to the city if they gave me my house of choice. We buy our meat from a neighbor farm and veggies from stands and only go to the grocery store for the staples. We have never allowed hunting on the park land so it’s full of deer and Turkey. They are so use to the motorcycles they want even run unless you try to approach them. And usually the deer will let ya get pretty close. Especially the little ones. But I tell ya my mental health is 10x healthier than it’s ever been. I spent all my life traveling so living in the city really dint bother me till I retired from racing and home more. At first we had a rv setup and the track and would stay weekends and finally we just realized we would be stupid not to just live here full time.
And also my daughter going to a county school instead of the city school is so much better. Her peers are farm kids who hunt fish and ride motorcycles instead of inspiring rappers and crossdressers lol.
Maintaining 500 acres and the race tracks is a ton of work. But work I enjoy doing and my wife runs the day to day of the park and my daughter and her friends run the concessions on weekends and races. I’m truly blessed. We will sell the park one day and I will buy a small little homestead. Once my girls out of the house we just want a tiny little old school style cabin. I want a 1k sq foot cabin and a 25k square foot garage and I will be set 🤣. I might just build my cabin inside in the corner of my garage lol.
There is actually a guy close to here that sort of did somthing like that. He built a garage inside an old barn that’s up against a huge cave opening. Super sick setup. Looks like an old barn on the outside but once you open the doors it’s a huge metal building with concrete floor. I think he said it was 60x80. And in the very back there is about 3k square feet that opens up into the cave. He paved that floor so just the walls and roof is stone. I was blown away when he showed it to me. I’d drive by it for years and just thought it was an old barn up against a giant Clift. Since the cave area is such a big part and I guess the way it’s insulation it stays around 60 or so inside the whole shop year round. He is an old single guy lives in it and just builds Hotrods and stuff all day. Built a loft type apartment space in it. . Living the dream life.
I will snap some pics the next time I’m down there. He is a cool dude.
I will snap some pics the next time I’m down there. He is a cool dude.
My clip ons are after market, they’re pretty nice, except the clutch is extremely tight so I ordered a new clutch cable. The throttle also feels really tight. I’ve been practicing trying to get my front tire up in parking lots and I’m getting better. The highest I’ve gotten is like 3ft or so in first and usually it’s up for a second or two and comes down. Nothing crazy but I’m getting it up for sure. I have a 55/15 sprocket for my bike I’ve just never put it on. Was planning to get better at wheelies with the stock gear then put it on. Or do u think my learning would accelerate faster with the 55/15? I’ve heard it’s easier to control then but I wouldn’t know.The bike in my profile is actually my old same gen model as yours. Forget the exact year but same gen for sure . Running a 15/45 gear cause I rode it from tenn to Saint Louis for a stunt ride. They make decent stunt bikes. 03/04 and 19/23 are way better stunt bikes but only because of durability not for ease of riding. The swing arms on your gen are what we use on the 03/04”s because they just wheelie easier for some reason. And they’re stronger. how are your clip ons positioned? If you have stock clip ons you can flip them. Run the left on right and vice versus. Keep the safety swivel screw out so you can push them a little straighter. Just doing that makes wheelies a lot more comfortable without buying anything. But if you truly want to stunt then the best thing you can spend money on right now is gas gas gas. Once you can pop it up in first and catch it with your brake and ride a controlled wheelie then start buying stunt parts. Clip ons, hand brake and whatever. Until then don’t ruin the value of the bike if you’re not going to follow through with it. Stunt bikes Are very hard to sell because half of us are morons and trash bikes pretty bad. So AtLeast buy a cage. Cocks stunt works is your best option for stunt parts for that bike. Affordable and great quality. but the bigger you gear up the rear the easier it is to control wheelies. So if you don’t want to street ride do like a 15/55 or even a 60 combo. If you still want to ride the streets and not be wide open all the time don’t go any bigger than 15/48. Maybe 50 if you avoid the interstate. But 48 should be your ideal target range to be able to do slow stuff and still run 140mph
My clip ons are after market, they are pretty nice except the clutch is really tight to pull in and so is the throttle so I ordered a new clutch cable, hopefully it fixes the tightness of the clutch. I’ve been practicing wheelies in a parking lot and I been getting my front tire up about 3feet or so max for a second or two and then the tire just comes down. I have a 55/15 sprocket I bought for my bike but haven’t put it on yet. I was planning on learning wheelies half decent on the stock sprocket then going to the 55/15. But I’ve heard the 55/15 is easier to control wheelies with so I’m wondering if it would accelerate my learning on wheelies or not.The bike in my profile is actually my old same gen model as yours. Forget the exact year but same gen for sure . Running a 15/45 gear cause I rode it from tenn to Saint Louis for a stunt ride.
They make decent stunt bikes. 03/04 and 19/23 are way better stunt bikes but only because of durability not for ease of riding. The swing arms on your gen are what we use on the 03/04”s because they just wheelie easier for some reason. And they’re stronger.
how are your clip ons positioned? If you have stock clip ons you can flip them. Run the left on right and vice versus. Keep the safety swivel screw out so you can push them a little straighter. Just doing that makes wheelies a lot more comfortable without buying anything. But if you truly want to stunt then the best thing you can spend money on right now is gas gas gas. Once you can pop it up in first and catch it with your brake and ride a controlled wheelie then start buying stunt parts. Clip ons, hand brake and whatever. Until then don’t ruin the value of the bike if you’re not going to follow through with it. Stunt bikes Are very hard to sell because half of us are morons and trash bikes pretty bad. So AtLeast buy a cage. Cocks stunt works is your best option for stunt parts for that bike. Affordable and great quality.
but the bigger you gear up the rear the easier it is to control wheelies. So if you don’t want to street ride do like a 15/55 or even a 60 combo. If you still want to ride the streets and not be wide open all the time don’t go any bigger than 15/48. Maybe 50 if you avoid the interstate. But 48 should be your ideal target range to be able to do slow stuff and still run 140mph
Will be 10x easier to do and control slow wheelies with a big sprocket. Will take a lot of the looping factor out of it. You will need a new chain tho of course.
I know stunt guys who are great with big sprockets but can’t balance point on stock gearing
It’s why when you get seasoned you should slowly start lowering your rear sprocket. A dinner plate setup is fun in the lots. But anything over a 48 and riding it on the road is retarded. 48”s pushing it. 10k at 80mph or so. Gets old fast.
It’s why when you get seasoned you should slowly start lowering your rear sprocket. A dinner plate setup is fun in the lots. But anything over a 48 and riding it on the road is retarded. 48”s pushing it. 10k at 80mph or so. Gets old fast.
Try staggers. Take your left foot and stand on the passenger set. Keep your right foot on the rear set covering your brake. And stand. You get a better feel of how high the bike is. Your goal is to stand straight up as you pull the wheelie then bring the bike up to match you. It’s easier to bring up and you can start getting the feel of when to apply the brake pressure. Slow stuff is all in the brake control. You only use the clutch to bring it up. After that it’s very little throttle to keep it going and your brake is actually what controls where the bike sits in the wheelie. It’s why you will notice stunt bikes running high throttle. Once you’re up and the throttle is high enough to keep powering the bike then all you do is over come or I guess I should say. Match that power by applying the brake. That way when you start going back to far. Use a little more brake. If you Start falling down. Let off the brake. Then once you master that. it’s just a matter of jumping around and acting like a moron. Don’t forget to wave at people who are looking at you and thinking “wtf is that goofy ass dude dancing around on his bike for”. And wave with your throttle hand. That confuses people who know how to ride. .
^^ that set point throttle is also something that the MSF teaches when you do slow speed work, for exactly the same reasons.
As your wrist and forearm have to change positions (normally), the working load on your right wrist becomes equal to the left wrist/arm when you use some fixed level of throttle.
If you have a set amount of throttle, that's one less control you have to futz with. There is a lot of benefit in not trying to rotate your hand around the clip on, while doing a lot of other complicated things. Also the throttle input is not uniform at low settings.... you twist a little, nothing happens. More, nothing.... then a tiny bit more and too much. Set it, forget it. Use the brake to adjust what you need. The foot isn't doing very much anyway, so it balances out where the input needs to come from.
As your wrist and forearm have to change positions (normally), the working load on your right wrist becomes equal to the left wrist/arm when you use some fixed level of throttle.
If you have a set amount of throttle, that's one less control you have to futz with. There is a lot of benefit in not trying to rotate your hand around the clip on, while doing a lot of other complicated things. Also the throttle input is not uniform at low settings.... you twist a little, nothing happens. More, nothing.... then a tiny bit more and too much. Set it, forget it. Use the brake to adjust what you need. The foot isn't doing very much anyway, so it balances out where the input needs to come from.
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