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post #1 of 85 Old 08-09-2018, 01:18 AM Thread Starter
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First gear wheelie progress

Heres my first time practicing

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Nice. Definitely holding it for a few seconds longer in the 2nd video.

Im assuming you have changed your sprockets to help u wheelie?
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Nice. Definitely holding it for a few seconds longer in the 2nd video.

Im assuming you have changed your sprockets to help u wheelie?
Yeah man. On the second video I think I am actually getting a feel for Balance point. It started to feel weightless a bit and I definitely brought the front end up higher than the first time I was trying clutch ups. I have a feeling next time I go out I should be able to hold them out much longer and bring em up higher.

I went +11 in the rear so thats a 54 tooth rear sprocket lol.

I'm only posting up videos because Rj2112 always asked me to post up some vids. I know they aren't the best footage but I am on my journey to become a stunter. I will post more videos as I progress
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Definitely more time on one wheel in the second video....

Not being a stunter, Having only experienced wheelies on dirt bikes well before you were born it seems like doing them from a standing start would make it tougher to learn. You're trying to do quite a few things at nearly the same time, which require different actions to control them.

Just seems like spreading out the different steps would make it easier to learn each part.

Getting the wheel up, then keeping it up (balance point), and doing both at low speed seems like at least three things happening together.

I recall power wheelies in my youth that could go on for hundreds of feet, because I wasn't chasing a balancing point. I realize now, that it would have been easy to do, simply by shifting my weight further back.

Trying to learn that, with an upper speed limit complicates things.

You seem to initiate the wheelies pretty well, but end up chopping the throttle to control your speed, which drops the front.

My uninformed suggestion would be to let your speed increase and just concentrate on the balance point. Can't tell how big your playground is, but it looks pretty large.... If you have the room, use all of it.

Once you have the feel of the balance point, THEN work on doing it at lower speed.

Loft the front, get to balance point, maintain. Once you get to maintain, forward speed becomes less important.

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To touch on something RJ says above:

I don't stunt nor do I have any wish to try it. But I do appreciate those that can do it, AND take the time to properly learn how to! So props to you!

Question: Have you increased your idle speed? I know many stunters are leaving their idle up around 3k or so in some cases because it helps with allowing the front end to stay up a bit easier when you have to shut off throttle. I agree that you're probably (like me) a little freaked out when the wheel comes up that high, and letting off (a bit too much) throttle to keep the wheel in the air.

Just something I thought of while watching your video without the sound on

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To touch on something RJ says above:

I don't stunt nor do I have any wish to try it. But I do appreciate those that can do it, AND take the time to properly learn how to! So props to you!

Question: Have you increased your idle speed? I know many stunters are leaving their idle up around 3k or so in some cases because it helps with allowing the front end to stay up a bit easier when you have to shut off throttle. I agree that you're probably (like me) a little freaked out when the wheel comes up that high, and letting off (a bit too much) throttle to keep the wheel in the air.

Just something I thought of while watching your video without the sound on
I think you can see (and hear) him increasing his idle at the beginning of each video.
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Yeah I raise my idle to 3k. I am still in the learning process at the moment but I progress each day I do go out.

I need to stop being a pussy and keep on the throttle lol. I am gettting closer to balance point. It feels like the bike is weightless the higher I go, so I need to start learning to tap the rear brake if I ever go too far back. I will be posting more vids on my progress on this thread. Thanks for watching and giving me some tips!
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Yeah I raise my idle to 3k. I am still in the learning process at the moment but I progress each day I do go out.

I need to stop being a pussy and keep on the throttle lol. I am gettting closer to balance point. It feels like the bike is weightless the higher I go, so I need to start learning to tap the rear brake if I ever go too far back. I will be posting more vids on my progress on this thread. Thanks for watching and giving me some tips!
The feeling that you are near the balance point is hard to isolate, when you are trying to do it slowly..... much easier to control it with smaller throttle movements, which I have to think are easier when you have some speed on the bike. Trying to adjust 5-10% is a whole lot less involved, when that change is 90 to 80%, rather than 15 to 5%. The 3K idle speed helps to 'fill in' the uneven power delivery at small throttle settings, but it's much, much more uniform higher in RPM. A world of difference up above 6-8K, compared to 2-3K.

I also think the tipping point is much more vertical than what it feels like from the seat of the bike. Seems to me that your body position needs to be further back on the frame to make it easier to get the nose up. Get your arse all the way back over the passenger section. I'd consider actually sitting on the passenger section, to get that position into your muscle memory.

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I'll be installing handbrake kit sometime soon after I get my scrape bar on. And I will be working on getting up to balance point faster.

Keep posted. I will share my next video here on this thread. Thanks guys! 😄
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I think you can see (and hear) him increasing his idle at the beginning of each video.
did you not read that I was watching the video without sound? (I don't always have my speakers plugged in to hear stuff on my PC) Which is why I stated such...

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I'll be installing handbrake kit sometime soon after I get my scrape bar on. And I will be working on getting up to balance point faster.

Keep posted. I will share my next video here on this thread. Thanks guys! 😄
I say that you don't need to worry about how fast you get to the balance point, until you can consistently get there. Chase the wheelie for a while, rather than specifically trying for balance point. I'm willing to bet that you'll have a much better feel for it, when you can keep the front off the ground for 10 seconds or more.

When you feel it come up, leave the throttle at the same point, and let the bike decide how high it's going..... As it speeds up, the front will start to drop, so you can think of it as a natural limiter for height. Learn how to land it softly, rather than letting it slam back to earth.

Once you're comfortable with 'this much throttle = this high (max) in xx seconds', THEN work on moving your weight further back on the bike. That will translate to higher front, for the same throttle, in roughly the same time. You can work on different aspects of the wheelie, one at a time.

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Yes I think that might work. Are there any other active stunters here on this forum that can give me some tips?
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Quick update: I still suck

I managed to have some time to hit the lot and practice today. Overall, I think I did much worse that previous sessions. I might be a little rusty and I'm still getting a feel for wheelies. Anyways, here what I got in today
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