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sbk1198 05-22-2017 09:02 PM

This is how you know when you don't belong somewhere
 
I know I was a bit off my best pace, but reality hit pretty hard this Sunday. This is a snippet of me getting lapped by the top experts in the 3 middleweight/heavyweight races I did.


Felixthecat 05-22-2017 09:16 PM

Well they are experts is the way I see it and at the top of that level. Hey where you last?

PainfullySlo 05-22-2017 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sbk1198 (Post 1471474)
I know I was a bit off my best pace, but reality hit pretty hard this Sunday. This is a snippet of me getting lapped by the top experts in the 3 middleweight/heavyweight races I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yb...ature=youtu.be

Welcome to racing, my friend =)

There is no shame in being lapped by the fastest people at your track. If anything take it as inspiration that you are on the right track and that there is still a lot left to learn.

I was where you were once, as was each of those guys that went past you. Food for thought.

sbk1198 05-22-2017 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Felixthecat (Post 1471482)
Well they are experts is the way I see it and at the top of that level. Hey where you last?

No, my worst was 8th out of 9 lol...and ironically that was where I ran my fastest times. The other ones I beat about 4 people even though i was a bit slower.

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Originally Posted by PainfullySlo (Post 1471490)
Welcome to racing, my friend =)

There is no shame in being lapped by the fastest people at your track. If anything take it as inspiration that you are on the right track and that there is still a lot left to learn.

I was where you were once, as was each of those guys that went past you. Food for thought.

Oh my friend and I discussed that before and we knew we would get lap. We did the math ahead of time based on lap times and the difference in time between 1st and 2nd wave. This is a really small track, so a 10-15 second delay between waves is already a big chunk of a lap. I think ALL the amateurs got lapped by the top experts aside from maybe a couple at best. Even the top amateurs were running about 6-7 seconds slower than the top experts, which is huge for a 1.8 mile track. But it was just mind-blowing how fast these guys were. And what I didn't include in the very first video was about 15 or so seconds before all those guys came through, that was when Jason Farrell lapped me. He had that big of a gap by that point from the guy in 2nd!

exalted512 05-23-2017 07:34 AM

Haha. At least you're out there racing and see how much you can improve. Reminds me of this gif I made of some video I was running at a track day a few weeks ago.

https://giphy.com/gifs/l4FGEZpH5hvnu8aAw/html5
-Cody

sbk1198 05-23-2017 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exalted512 (Post 1471810)
Haha. At least you're out there racing and see how much you can improve. Reminds me of this gif I made of some video I was running at a track day a few weeks ago.

https://giphy.com/gifs/l4FGEZpH5hvnu8aAw/html5
-Cody

Yeah, and I run advanced group at any track and track day organization...comfortably too! Like a guy I knew used to say...many levels of humility in this sport!

Some of the guys in my videos that passed me like I wasn't moving, have raced in MotoAmerica and half the times couldn't even qualify for the supersport race, courtesy of Gerloff and Beach usually lol

I much prefer the organizations where they split the experts and amateurs in separate races. But I understand why CCS doesn't do that.

the prophet 05-23-2017 11:57 AM

That looks like they should split the classes up better. If there is too much discrepancy between lap times that makes for dangerous passes. I do like the track. Tight and technical. Just my game.

Off Camber 05-23-2017 12:00 PM

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But remember this as well:


“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”


― Theodore Roosevelt


I guess you can tell I like TR:smile

sbk1198 05-23-2017 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the prophet (Post 1472106)
That looks like they should split the classes up better. If there is too much discrepancy between lap times that makes for dangerous passes. I do like the track. Tight and technical. Just my game.

The reason they don't is because they don't have time to run additional races and if they split off the amateurs in a separate race there wouldn't be as many on the grid. The speed difference was higher than I would've thought. The top experts were running 10-12 seconds faster than me, and there were some amateurs that were about 5-7 seconds slower than me. That's a huge difference for a track that's only about 1.8 miles.

But yes this is a small and technical track. It's pretty narrow though which I'm not a fan of and the curbs are really tall, and bumpy. You really don't want to get all the way to the edge in some turns.

PainfullySlo 05-23-2017 01:36 PM

Our CCS races are run the same way. Honestly it speeds things up but yes there is always a concern (as an expert) that the AM grid may not be as predictable as I would like.

Your track reminds me a lot of my home track: 1.67 miles and extremely technical.

exalted512 05-23-2017 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbk1198 (Post 1472074)
Yeah, and I run advanced group at any track and track day organization...comfortably too! Like a guy I knew used to say...many levels of humility in this sport!

Some of the guys in my videos that passed me like I wasn't moving, have raced in MotoAmerica and half the times couldn't even qualify for the supersport race, courtesy of Gerloff and Beach usually lol

I much prefer the organizations where they split the experts and amateurs in separate races. But I understand why CCS doesn't do that.

Yup. Speed is always relative. Put Marquez next to a middle of the pack F1 driver at CotA and you'll see how slow he is too, haha.

sbk1198 05-23-2017 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PainfullySlo (Post 1472186)
Our CCS races are run the same way. Honestly it speeds things up but yes there is always a concern (as an expert) that the AM grid may not be as predictable as I would like.

Your track reminds me a lot of my home track: 1.67 miles and extremely technical.

I honestly think it would help if they just did it as a 1-wave instead of 2. I don't see how 2-waves really helps in this case. There is enough of a gap between the experts and amateurs that none of the amateurs will catch up to the experts before T1 anyway unless someone really botches their start badly, so all it does is allows the experts to catch up to the back markers much quicker. Had these races been 1-wave, the experts wouldn't have had to deal with quite as many amateurs being in the way because we would've been lapped only at the very end of the race, rather than on laps 5-6.

jd41 05-23-2017 03:05 PM

My goal, as well as most here, is to improve on my skills to get faster. . .

In the meantime I'll use these generic excuses (jk :P):
1. I haven't been riding very long
2. I don't have a literbike
3. I don't have a cartridge kit
4. I need slicks and warmers
5. I go to the track just to have fun

As long as a rider stays humble there will be room for growth. Riding with people that are faster than me drives me to improve and get to their level, or at least gives me the desire to want to.

ZedExMuse 05-23-2017 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd41 (Post 1472354)
My goal, as well as most here, is to improve on my skills to get faster. . .

In the meantime I'll use these generic excuses (jk :P):
1. I haven't been riding very long
2. I don't have a literbike
3. I don't have a cartridge kit
4. I need slicks and warmers
5. I go to the track just to have fun

As long as a rider stays humble there will be room for growth. Riding with people that are faster than me drives me to improve and get to their level, or at least gives me the desire to want to.


Simply, excellent!

I have a riding buddy that I've shared tarmac for 35-yrs. He was the fastest guy I've ever shared tarmac... both on the track & the street.. naturally fast.

I asked him how I could catch up to his level. His answer was classic: "Brakes! Stop using your brakes... brakes just slow you down." I took that to heart; I invested in a much better brake system, thus my actual used of them has decreased.

ninjaman89 05-23-2017 06:08 PM

Looking good out there man! That's awesome you were on the track with Farrell!


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