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post #1 of 21 Old 11-02-2016, 10:48 AM Thread Starter
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The 11 Things You Can Start Doing Today To Make Yourself A Better Rider

I'm sure most of you know what education nut I am.

I thought this was a pretty good article:




How To Get Better At Riding A Motorcycle: The 11 Things You Can Start Doing Today To Make Yourself A Better Rider

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As an 'old ex-racer', I would partially disagree. I would prefer to think of racing as Higher Education. One still needs, fundamentals prior to moving on. Or, in other words, you need to have a high school diploma (or G.E.D.) in order to be enrolled to a university.

And make no mistake, like comparing high school to college, racing is exponentially more challenging/rewarding than just street riding.

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As an 'old ex-racer', I would partially disagree. I would prefer to think of racing as Higher Education. One still needs, fundamentals prior to moving on. Or, in other words, you need to have a high school diploma (or G.E.D.) in order to be enrolled to a university.

And make no mistake, like comparing high school to college, racing is exponentially more challenging/rewarding than just street riding.
You're overthinking it...you missed the joke.

Key word is "importanter"...since it's grammatically wrong...shows that the person who said that is full of shit and obviously doesn't have much of an education if he/she doesn't even know that it should be said "more important". It's a joke that's been circling around the racing and track day community for some time. I don't have enough imagination to make up something like that

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You're overthinking it...you missed the joke.

Key word is "importanter"...since it's grammatically wrong...shows that the person who said that is full of shit and obviously doesn't have much of an education if he/she doesn't even know that it should be said "more important". It's a joke that's been circling around the racing and track day community for some time. I don't have enough imagination to make up something like that

SB, no, i got your joke. I generally agree with your posts, more than I don't agree. And I feel you're one of the young pups that an old dog like me does learn from.

My comments were directed at the more neophyte amongst us, who think "... ridin' on the street real faster taught me more than any stoopid race school...", or even a handful of track days. You know, the squid that thinks they are Rea, or Marquez just because they ride 20mph over the posted speed through blind corners, all the while drifting well across the double yellow.

In the future I'll give a subtle wink to the humour bits, whilst still striding a top my soap box.

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I enjoyed the article...... more of a teaser, really.

The closing point was the most significant, imho.

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I enjoyed the article...... more of a teaser, really.

The closing point was the most significant, imho.
Indeed! I know some people who like to blame the bike a lot for the reason they're not going faster at the track. Best way to show them it's not the bike is to just get a fast guy to ride it and when he laps like 10+ seconds faster the first time ever riding that bike, the owner will hopefully realize that it's not the bike

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The link to his podcast is a nice feature.

I get what both of you are saying about the bike not being the limit for the rider, but I think it is not black and white.

Have the wisdom to fix the suspension for your weight or riding style over adding farkles or go fast parts is something most need some kind of epiphany in order to concede and start investing in them.
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Indeed! I know some people who like to blame the bike a lot for the reason they're not going faster at the track. Best way to show them it's not the bike is to just get a fast guy to ride it and when he laps like 10+ seconds faster the first time ever riding that bike, the owner will hopefully realize that it's not the bike
I have a riding buddy who is one of only four men that I'd ride any time, any where with. I would (and have) rode in tight formation with him. He is a bit wee, my dad would have called him 'wirey'. And he is the best rider I have ever shared company with. He was/still is my benchmark. I knew during the specific ride that I could stay with him, that all of those track days and all of the racing, and reading books by Kenny Roberts, Sr and Keith Code had finally paid off.

He always rode a SS bikes. The largest displacement bike he ever owned was a Ducati 748 - a destroked 916. And yet, he would totally ride circles around all the litre bikes. He was an absolute monster on two wheels. And what's humorous, is he'd borrow another rider's older bike and still ride circles around brand new Gixxer 1K, R1s, 10R, & Panigales. Priceless!

He is a master of 'concervation of energy', only using the minimum inputs necessary. Whilst other come back dripping in sweat and breathless, he come back cool, calm, and collected. That's why after twenty years of riding/racing together he's still my benchmark.
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I have a riding buddy who is one of only four men that I'd ride any time, any where with. I would (and have) rode in tight formation with him. He is a bit wee, my dad would have called him 'wirey'. And he is the best rider I have ever shared company with. He was/still is my benchmark. I knew during the specific ride that I could stay with him, that all of those track days and all of the racing, and reading books by Kenny Roberts, Sr and Keith Code had finally paid off.

He always rode a SS bikes. The largest displacement bike he ever owned was a Ducati 748 - a destroked 916. And yet, he would totally ride circles around all the litre bikes. He was an absolute monster on two wheels. And what's humorous, is he'd borrow another rider's older bike and still ride circles around brand new Gixxer 1K, R1s, 10R, & Panigales. Priceless!

He is a master of 'concervation of energy', only using the minimum inputs necessary. Whilst other come back dripping in sweat and breathless, he come back cool, calm, and collected. That's why after twenty years of riding/racing together he's still my benchmark.
Yeah some guys are just naturally talented. I am not one of those types IMO. I've had to work hard to get to where I'm at and there still is plenty left to go! I'm like that with everything though, every sport, game or activity I've done, I've had to work hard at it to get somewhat decent at it, while others are just good right away.

The main reason I invested in my awesome XT Racing GPX Pro lap timer/data logger along with the sensors I got on the ZX6R was so I can put one of my really fast friends on it at our local track and have him do a couple of really fast laps on it. That would allow me to see exactly what the difference is between his fast laps and mine. Where he's getting on the gas and how much? Where he's getting on the brakes and how hard? Difference in lines, etc. Unfortunately it didn't happen this year because I had that wheel problem the day that he could've done it, and then for our last track day he didn't show up so I'll have to wait until next season.

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Yeah some guys are just naturally talented. I am not one of those types IMO. I've had to work hard to get to where I'm at and there still is plenty left to go! I'm like that with everything though, every sport, game or activity I've done, I've had to work hard at it to get somewhat decent at it, while others are just good right away.

The main reason I invested in my awesome XT Racing GPX Pro lap timer/data logger along with the sensors I got on the ZX6R was so I can put one of my really fast friends on it at our local track and have him do a couple of really fast laps on it. That would allow me to see exactly what the difference is between his fast laps and mine. Where he's getting on the gas and how much? Where he's getting on the brakes and how hard? Difference in lines, etc. Unfortunately it didn't happen this year because I had that wheel problem the day that he could've done it, and then for our last track day he didn't show up so I'll have to wait until next season.


My buddy is a 'natural', where as, like you, I am not. I too, have had to study, work, and put in copious have a riding buddy who is one of only four men that I'd ride any time, any where with. I would (and have) rode in tight formation. He is a bit wee, my dad would have called him 'wirey'. And he is the best rider I have ever shared company with. He was/still is my benchmark. I knew during one specific ride that I could stay with him, and that all of those track days, and all of the racing, and reading books by Kenny Roberts, Sr and Keith Code had finally paid off.

He always rode a SS bike. The largest displacement bike he ever owned was a Ducati 748 - a destroked 916. He would borrow another rider's 10-yr old beater bike and still out ride everyone else. Yes, he is a "natural."

I am not a "natural" and like you, I have had to work and study to find improvement. My greatest aid to obtain notable advancement was/is saddle time. Mind you I am not complaining one iota. My dad used to call me a student of study. I think most of us who have rode motorcycles for a fair time became 'students of study.'

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The link to his podcast is a nice feature.

I get what both of you are saying about the bike not being the limit for the rider, but I think it is not black and white.

Have the wisdom to fix the suspension for your weight or riding style over adding farkles or go fast parts is something most need some kind of epiphany in order to concede and start investing in them.
Once the suspension is set up, there really isn't a lot that these things need, on the street. In just about every category, they are overkill.... for a rider to think they are more capable than the bike is a level of arrogance that we all are born with and must eventually learn to overcome.

The best way the bike can be made to go faster is for it to lose weight. That's a fairly tough proposition; once you have swapped out the battery, and reduced the mass of the exhaust, there aren't that many areas you can shed whole pounds of weight.

Except for the rider's waistline.

It still comes back to making the rider better, makes the bike go fastest.

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Yeah some guys are just naturally talented. I am not one of those types IMO. I've had to work hard to get to where I'm at and there still is plenty left to go! I'm like that with everything though, every sport, game or activity I've done, I've had to work hard at it to get somewhat decent at it, while others are just good right away.

The main reason I invested in my awesome XT Racing GPX Pro lap timer/data logger along with the sensors I got on the ZX6R was so I can put one of my really fast friends on it at our local track and have him do a couple of really fast laps on it. That would allow me to see exactly what the difference is between his fast laps and mine. Where he's getting on the gas and how much? Where he's getting on the brakes and how hard? Difference in lines, etc. Unfortunately it didn't happen this year because I had that wheel problem the day that he could've done it, and then for our last track day he didn't show up so I'll have to wait until next season.
I lost track of that post. Did you ever get that wheel welded?
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I lost track of that post. Did you ever get that wheel welded?
Hell no! Everyone advised not to, and I agreed as well after inspected the cracks more. That wheel is toast. I ended up getting an OEM one from a local guy I know (cost me $75 only).

But the struggle is real now! My OCD makes me cringe every time I look at the bike. I can NOT stand having wheels that are not the same! lol Getting another gold Carrozzeria rear wheel would cost me over $800. Getting an OEM front to match the rear would be cheap, but then I'd have a perfectly good forged aluminum front wheel sitting around not being used, and I'd be adding more weight to my bike...which goes against all racing religions!

What I really want to do is get both, and then I would have my matching gold forged lightweight wheels, and also a set of OEM's that I can use with rain tires or some other tires....but I need more money for that!

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Hell no! Everyone advised not to, and I agreed as well after inspected the cracks more. That wheel is toast. I ended up getting an OEM one from a local guy I know (cost me $75 only).

But the struggle is real now! My OCD makes me cringe every time I look at the bike. I can NOT stand having wheels that are not the same! lol Getting another gold Carrozzeria rear wheel would cost me over $800. Getting an OEM front to match the rear would be cheap, but then I'd have a perfectly good forged aluminum front wheel sitting around not being used, and I'd be adding more weight to my bike...which goes against all racing religions!

What I really want to do is get both, and then I would have my matching gold forged lightweight wheels, and also a set of OEM's that I can use with rain tires or some other tires....but I need more money for that!
Awww that sucks. Those wheels are gorgeous. Perhaps sell your front, then use the cash from that sale to buy a used matching set of Dymag UP7X in made from Carbon Composite
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