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Maybe its just me but from that camera POV it looks like you have a firm grip on the clip-ons when it should be relaxed. Could translate to unwanted bar input. How was your BP?
ok noted. Thanks. It further makes me realize there is more I need to focus on technique-wise, before getting competitive. BP, you mean blood pressure? I don't know lol
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ok noted. Thanks. It further makes me realize there is more I need to focus on technique-wise, before getting competitive. BP, you mean blood pressure? I don't know lol
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Oh duh, lol. It needs a lot of work for sure. I've got my butt off the seat but I'm not hanging off where my arm is draped along the tank and I'm kissing the absent mirror. In fact my BP must be pretty bad because in another session after my crash I let the bike go wide, and rode through grass twice. Looking back at it I believe now that I didn't apply enough counterweight and lean angle proportionate to the amount of throttle I was trying to come out of the turns with. (if you guys could bare watching another video of my riding, I can post the double grass run off video too lol)

I've been watching Life at Lean videos too, and MotoVudu, and anything else I can find on youtube or read about. I'm soaking it all up bit by bit. But nothing will help me incorporate it substantially as more track time will. This next track day I think I need to push aside my desire to blindly go fast and really learn more about dynamics and control and feel.
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I think we all can agree that BP is a very heated topic...considering all the world champions who rode ďwrongĒ for years, Iíd highly recommend just trying to ride as natural as possible (for now). BP is a fine tuning tool and isnít the root cause for crashes MOST OF THE TIME.

The controls in your right hand are 99% more effective at making you faster and safer currently.
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I think having good BP involves allowing you to decrease the amount of pressure at the bars and not so much how much you can hang off. Simon Crafar has a good video on it.

Also, running wide on corners might be turning in too early on a corner or bad throttle control. Depends on the corner of course.


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I think having good BP involves allowing you to decrease the amount of pressure at the bars and not so much how much you can hang off. Simon Crafar has a good video on it.

Also, running wide on corners might be turning in too early on a corner or bad throttle control. Depends on the corner of course.
This is why BP is a horrible topic to discuss on the Internet. Lots of guys wanna focus on it because itís the easiest thing to point at in a static photo and directly compare themselves to professionals. It gains too much focus at the entry level and takes away from learning basics fundamentals. Itís easy to look good for a camera.

BP wonít save a slide, an abrupt control input or a poor line choice.

Outright speed and control will always start with the right hand. If you get distracted trying to emulate the pros, itís easy to get lost. Thatís where Iíll leave it I guess, everyoneís gotta cut their own path.
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This is why BP is a horrible topic to discuss on the Internet. Lots of guys wanna focus on it because itís the easiest thing to point at in a static photo and directly compare themselves to professionals. It gains too much focus at the entry level and takes away from learning basics fundamentals. Itís easy to look good for a camera.

BP wonít save a slide, an abrupt control input or a poor line choice.

Outright speed and control will always start with the right hand. If you get distracted trying to emulate the pros, itís easy to get lost. Thatís where Iíll leave it I guess, everyoneís gotta cut their own path.
Ok. I was mainly pointing out the bar input and throttle control but sure.

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Ok fair enough, it didnít come across like that I guess.

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I think having good BP involves allowing you to decrease the amount of pressure at the bars and not so much how much you can hang off. Simon Crafar has a good video on it.

This is also a nice video to watch. It's a bit long and kind of hard to follow but it helped me understand an easier way to get my weight off of the handlebars.

Another thing to note should be that their really is no absolute best way to ride a motorcycle. Different things work better for different people. Don't be afraid to try new things. But before you bury your head too deep in body positioning, learn how to operate the handlebars and the controls properly first. You should be at the point where you don't have to think about where your brake points are or what line you need to take. All of that should be second nature, like breathing. Only then can you safely start trying to drag your elbow.
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So Iím gonna get new tires now, also EBC double H pads (will post what I find about the existing pads condition). Next track day is this Sunday at PBIR a track that I have been on twice already. Iím thinking, and also have been told by others, that I should do Intermediate there. That way Iím not held up by slower riders and I can learn better lines. Iím gonna keep my ego in check and focus on more control and being smoother, and looking further down and incorporating some more strategy as I get more comfortable.

If I post more videos, will you guys please review and give me more feedback?
Skip the HH pads, those are street pads and you'll glaze them as your pace gets quicker. Get some Vesrah RJL pads, not the XX's, the RJL's. That's all we used on our endurance bike. Excellent life and pad modulation.

You have Intermediate group pace but a Novice group passing skill level. It's not what you want to hear, but if you want to progress and learn the fastest, do another TD in Novice and focus on nothing but setting up passes. You won't be passing nearly as much in Intermediate and will not get any better at it.

BP should be the last thing on your mind. There's a ton of other things I'd work on from seeing that video before worrying about BP (unless you're dragging toe sliders and your feet are really jacked up, there's only so much you can see watching a video).

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2) Michelin Road 5's are advertised as the "#1 for wet grip on the road". This is an indicator as to what type of riding they are best suited for. Yes, you can run them at a trackday, but they are not the right tire for trying to go fast or be aggressive with the bike. A Q3 or Rosso Corsa II or any other sticky sportbike tire would have been able to handle your ride on Saturday.
That is what I was thinking as well. I've heard reports of Michelin's getting "greasy" feeling when used for track duty. I have used Q2's, Q3's, and Diablo Rosso Corsa's with great results!
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I've been watching Life at Lean videos too, and MotoVudu, and anything else I can find on youtube or read about. I'm soaking it all up bit by bit. But nothing will help me incorporate it substantially as more track time will. This next track day I think I need to push aside my desire to blindly go fast and really learn more about dynamics and control and feel.
Look for Twist of the Wrist II by Keith Code as well. There is a full length video and also a book. There is a lot of great information in there.
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You are looking for new shock and springs..i dont think you need them.. you are still not fast to outride stock...sorry for bad englisch..i ride in the advance class with stock..just go to a good suspension guru and let them service en dail in ...just my2 cents..save the money
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You are looking for new shock and springs..i dont think you need them.. you are still not fast to outride stock...sorry for bad englisch..i ride in the advance class with stock..just go to a good suspension guru and let them service en dail in ...just my2 cents..save the money
100% agree. Ride the stock components as long as possible. Modern sportbikes have very good suspension from the factory and will easily take you to Advance group. I would suggest getting them serviced once a year, like @Cedricv said, especially as you start to progress with your speed.
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Ok, understood on the suspension, I've been talking to a crew that will help me with the settings on my stock equipment. So I'll use my money for more track time, on FMRRA race weekend's I can go practice during their qualifying sessions.

On books, I have Sport Riding Techniques by Nick Ienatsch, Performance Riding Techniques by Andy Ibbott, in addition to Twist of the Wrist and Total Control by Lee Parks. I can only benefit by so much in these books based on my current level, but I am definitely a student and learning as much as I can from them.

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Skip the HH pads, those are street pads and you'll glaze them as your pace gets quicker. Get some Vesrah RJL pads, not the XX's, the RJL's. That's all we used on our endurance bike. Excellent life and pad modulation.
Should I really be getting race level pads while I am still learning how to brake more smoothly and transition into turns? I had already ordered EBC double H, but I will cancel those and get the race level pads if you guys think that's better.

Here's the video of session 6, the session after my crash session. In this video my run offs into the grass are at 8:42 and 14:07, appreciate any input!


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