What to do? - ZX6R Forum
 6Likes
  • 1 Post By sbk1198
  • 1 Post By WildCard
  • 1 Post By jd41
  • 1 Post By sbk1198
  • 1 Post By riverszzr
  • 1 Post By ZX6RRECTION
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 11 Old 08-13-2019, 06:41 PM Thread Starter
Pro Racer
 
russperry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 758

I Ride: '06 ZX6R, '14 Ninja 1000, '08 FJR, '06 GSXR 600, '11 KTM 690 Enduro R, '08 GSXR750
What to do?

So I've been taking my '06 to the track for the last 6 years, done about 30 days and its now starting to develop a transmission problem, namely false neutrals between 4th and 5th. Started last year and its getting worse in frequency, like 3 or 4 times per day. Now i know its not magically going to get better so I think I have four options. I did buy a GSXR750 last year so I've got another toy regardless of what I do to the 636.

1) Sell it as is - if I'm honest with a buyer about the issues then its probably not worth much.
2) Part it out - lot's of quality aftermarket parts but not sure I want to deal with all the selling headaches of pieces
3) Buy a new engine/transmission - of course I wouldn't know with confidence that I'd be getting anything better
4) Repair which I know will be a big project. I'd do it myself so won't be any labor expense, but I'm not sure what the parts will end up costing and of course it will be a big learning curve for me.


what do you guys think?

And has anyone out there personally done a transmission rebuild and have tips or opinions on option 4?

thanks

'06 ZX6R, '08 FJR1300, '06 GSXR 600, '14 Ninja 1000, '11 KTM 690 Enduro, '08 GSXR750

On the Ninja - Galfer rotors, '09 calipers, Brembo RCS M/C, Beet exhaust, Carrozzeria wheels, Ohlins cartridge kit, Ohlins Shock, Ohlins damper, Woodcraft rearsets, Healtech QuickshifterEasy
russperry is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 11 Old 08-13-2019, 07:32 PM
Director of Moderation
 
sbk1198's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Virginia
Posts: 9,365

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Quote:
Originally Posted by russperry View Post
So I've been taking my '06 to the track for the last 6 years, done about 30 days and its now starting to develop a transmission problem, namely false neutrals between 4th and 5th. Started last year and its getting worse in frequency, like 3 or 4 times per day. Now i know its not magically going to get better so I think I have four options. I did buy a GSXR750 last year so I've got another toy regardless of what I do to the 636.

1) Sell it as is - if I'm honest with a buyer about the issues then its probably not worth much.
2) Part it out - lot's of quality aftermarket parts but not sure I want to deal with all the selling headaches of pieces
3) Buy a new engine/transmission - of course I wouldn't know with confidence that I'd be getting anything better
4) Repair which I know will be a big project. I'd do it myself so won't be any labor expense, but I'm not sure what the parts will end up costing and of course it will be a big learning curve for me.


what do you guys think?

And has anyone out there personally done a transmission rebuild and have tips or opinions on option 4?

thanks
The way I'd look at it is what do YOU truly want to do for the next year or next few years? Do you like the bike that much that you really want to continue with it even if you can fix it for very cheap? Or do you want to just take this is a "time to move onto something else" sign?

Personally, if it was me, I'd sell it. Try option 1 first, and if there's no takers, go on to option 2. But that's just because it's going on being a 14 year old bike soon and it's getting tired. There are better/nicer options out there.

But if it was something that I really really cared about and wanted to continue with it, I would fix it. Nice thing about Kawasaki transmissions is they're cassettes, so you can pull the whole transmission out without splitting the motor and swap it out. I bet you can find a used one in good condition for $300-$400, and swap it out in a few hours. Wouldn't be nearly as big of a project as you think.
TurbineTech likes this.

2007 ZZR600 (sold)
2006 CBR600 (sold)
2010 1198 (parted out across North America)
2013 CBR500R (sold)
2009 ZX6R (parted out across North America)
2015 R3 (sold)
2018 Ninja 400 (race bike)
2013 RSV4 (race bike)

April 2016 and April 2017 6OTM winner!
sbk1198 is offline  
post #3 of 11 Old 08-13-2019, 07:51 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
WildCard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Southwest Missouri
Posts: 1,742

I Ride: 2002 ZX-6R 2009 KLX 331 Supermoto
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbk1198 View Post
The way I'd look at it is what do YOU truly want to do for the next year or next few years? Do you like the bike that much that you really want to continue with it even if you can fix it for very cheap? Or do you want to just take this is a "time to move onto something else" sign?

Personally, if it was me, I'd sell it. Try option 1 first, and if there's no takers, go on to option 2. But that's just because it's going on being a 14 year old bike soon and it's getting tired. There are better/nicer options out there.

But if it was something that I really really cared about and wanted to continue with it, I would fix it. Nice thing about Kawasaki transmissions is they're cassettes, so you can pull the whole transmission out without splitting the motor and swap it out. I bet you can find a used one in good condition for $300-$400, and swap it out in a few hours. Wouldn't be nearly as big of a project as you think.
OP has an '06. I thought the 6R didn't get cassette gearboxes until 07 ?
riverszzr likes this.


Roads? Where we're going we don't need....

( •_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_■)

Roads. ☢
WildCard is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 11 Old 08-13-2019, 07:59 PM
Post Master General
 
jd41's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Monterey, California
Posts: 5,858

I Ride: 2014 Kawasaki ZX-6R, 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 300
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by WildCard View Post
OP has an '06. I thought the 6R didn't get cassette gearboxes until 07 ?
Correct
WildCard likes this.

JL99
jd41 is offline  
post #5 of 11 Old 08-13-2019, 09:00 PM
Director of Moderation
 
sbk1198's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Virginia
Posts: 9,365

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Quote:
Originally Posted by WildCard View Post
OP has an '06. I thought the 6R didn't get cassette gearboxes until 07 ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd41 View Post
Correct
Oh...oops. I just assumed they've been using that style for a long time.

Never mind then. I guess then it would take a bit more work, knowledge and patience.
RJ2112 likes this.

2007 ZZR600 (sold)
2006 CBR600 (sold)
2010 1198 (parted out across North America)
2013 CBR500R (sold)
2009 ZX6R (parted out across North America)
2015 R3 (sold)
2018 Ninja 400 (race bike)
2013 RSV4 (race bike)

April 2016 and April 2017 6OTM winner!
sbk1198 is offline  
post #6 of 11 Old 08-14-2019, 08:54 AM
Post Master General
 
riverszzr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Frozen hell of the north
Posts: 7,070

I Ride: 97k '07 ZZR600, 2014 Ninja 300, 37k 89 FZR400 racebike, 56k 06 ZX6R track only, 21k 97 ZX6R F model
Garage
Pull engine, remove covers and clutch etc flip over remove case bolts and split cases..........

likley to need 2 shift forks if not all 3 and 2 gears maybe 3 (as they will be worn wide where the shift fork rides and good likelyhood the engagement teeth will have significant wear too....but the main issue will be the fork worn and the slot in the gears they ride in worn to .050"-.100" wider than new making them just wear out a new fork in little time)

I did one not too long ago via this method........

gears were about $500 for 3 of them and all 3 shift forks were another $200, the requisite gaskets and output shaft seal etc added another $50ish
tack on oil/filter, coolant and any other stuff you do while apart

But I would fully expect $800 to be the minimum in parts expenses
RJ2112 likes this.

woohoo we are having fun now
Stupid people say stupid things on the internet, so be wary of who those people are. If you solicit advice on the internet, just keep in mind 99% of what you'll receive is not based on fact or science-and likely atleast 95% of it is based on bullshit and bravado regurgitated from some other schlub who also did not experience any of what they claim and are also full of shit. If you don't like my bluntness- too bad. I am not here to please you, so move along, your approval is not desired nor is it needed. So before opening your pie hole and adding more stupidity, perhaps sit back, listen, absorb and learn something. You know that saying, it is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!
riverszzr is offline  
post #7 of 11 Old 08-14-2019, 10:36 AM
Post Master General
 
jd41's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Monterey, California
Posts: 5,858

I Ride: 2014 Kawasaki ZX-6R, 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 300
Garage
I think its time to get that literbike you wanted.

JL99
jd41 is offline  
post #8 of 11 Old 08-16-2019, 12:33 AM
MotoGP Champion
 
ZX6RRECTION's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Columbiar, MD
Posts: 5,445

I Ride: Green'06 ZX6-RR(:-(sold) 05 ZX6RR(also SOLD)
Quote:
Originally Posted by russperry View Post
So I've been taking my '06 to the track for the last 6 years, done about 30 days and its now starting to develop a transmission problem, namely false neutrals between 4th and 5th. Started last year and its getting worse in frequency, like 3 or 4 times per day. Now i know its not magically going to get better so I think I have four options. I did buy a GSXR750 last year so I've got another toy regardless of what I do to the 636.

1) Sell it as is - if I'm honest with a buyer about the issues then its probably not worth much.
2) Part it out - lot's of quality aftermarket parts but not sure I want to deal with all the selling headaches of pieces
3) Buy a new engine/transmission - of course I wouldn't know with confidence that I'd be getting anything better
4) Repair which I know will be a big project. I'd do it myself so won't be any labor expense, but I'm not sure what the parts will end up costing and of course it will be a big learning curve for me.


what do you guys think?

And has anyone out there personally done a transmission rebuild and have tips or opinions on option 4?

thanks
Option 3 and 4

You can easy swap it out no need to pull the motor...

Buy a new one...use it while you

Rebuild the old trusted one ...rebuild it better than new ...yeah get legit racing parts.. cheers
ZX6RRECTION is offline  
post #9 of 11 Old 08-16-2019, 12:34 AM
MotoGP Champion
 
ZX6RRECTION's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Columbiar, MD
Posts: 5,445

I Ride: Green'06 ZX6-RR(:-(sold) 05 ZX6RR(also SOLD)
Just get a tranny keep your engine dude ...
KawasakiBrad likes this.
ZX6RRECTION is offline  
post #10 of 11 Old 08-16-2019, 09:54 AM
Squid
 
KawasakiBrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Stony Plain (West of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada)
Posts: 48

I Ride: 08 ZX10R, 18 ZX6R, 17 Z125
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZX6RRECTION View Post
Just get a tranny keep your engine dude ...
Yup, take it apart and you know what you've got. Buy a used one it might be worse.

It'll cost you less than $500 for gaskets, consumable's (lots of the clips and spacers on the shaft do not get re used) a new first, second, and maybe third gear, and maybe a shift fork or 2. If you're focused, have a decent mechanical aptitude, order all the parts ahead of time, have a service manual and a semi skilled helper to muscle the engine in and out it can be accomplished in a day. A weekend if you're taking it easy.

I've faced a similar problem on a few bikes over the years and getting your dogs "back cut" at a machine shop helps a ton. Unfortunately it changes the shifting characteristics of the bike quite a bit. For a road course (majority of my experience is the strip) I'm not sure how great of an idea it is but maybe something for you to look in to since you're taking it apart anyways.

Anything can kill you. Pick something fun.
kawasakibrad.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeP...s8E9AkGXTpYzeQ
KawasakiBrad is offline  
post #11 of 11 Old 08-16-2019, 10:55 AM Thread Starter
Pro Racer
 
russperry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 758

I Ride: '06 ZX6R, '14 Ninja 1000, '08 FJR, '06 GSXR 600, '11 KTM 690 Enduro R, '08 GSXR750
Thanks for the input guys. As mentioned by others this is non-cassette type transmission so it will be the bigger job. I do have a buddy who is very "into" this stuff and probably will be the extra pair of hands needed if I decide to do the work.

The next question is do I want to spend the $800 (thanks riverszzr) and time to fix it, or is time to sell it and use the $800 and money from a sale towards a new ride.

If I decide to sell it as is, what do you think it would be worth? Maybe $2500-3000? There are a lot of nice parts on it:

Ohlins cartridges
Ohlins shock
Ohlins steering damper
Nassert-Beet exhaust
Carrozzeria rims (can I use these on my GSXR750?) - maybe worth $1000 parted out?
Healtech quickshifter

'06 ZX6R, '08 FJR1300, '06 GSXR 600, '14 Ninja 1000, '11 KTM 690 Enduro, '08 GSXR750

On the Ninja - Galfer rotors, '09 calipers, Brembo RCS M/C, Beet exhaust, Carrozzeria wheels, Ohlins cartridge kit, Ohlins Shock, Ohlins damper, Woodcraft rearsets, Healtech QuickshifterEasy

Last edited by russperry; 08-16-2019 at 11:03 AM.
russperry is offline  
Reply

  ZX6R Forum > ZX6R Forum > Racing

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome