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Question Tire Warmers. Which ones and how to use properly?

Switching to slicks after my Q4's are worn.

Considering 2000w generator. Would that be sufficient?

Also, any benefits from using dual temp vs single?

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A 2000w is fine, and that is what most people run. Warmers only require about 700-1100 watts on average i'd say. I got some dual temp chicken hawks because I got a smoking deal on them and figured I could use the low setting for rain tires. Then I found out you don't need warmers for rains lol. So I'll just use the low setting if I have a long gap in between races so they don't go cold. One drawback is I've forgotten a couple times that it was on low, but low is like 135 degrees vs 175 degrees for high.

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Woodcraft or Chicken Hawk dual temp warmers. Yes a 2000W genny will be enough.

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What is the low temp setting for?

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Found a good article from RRW in Chicken Hawk's website:
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What is the low temp setting for?
I've seen reference of using low temp on more street oriented tires, but most of this was anecdotal from different forums and FB, etc. Opinion seems to be tires like that get greasy at high temp, although I have a hard time believing it's from the tire warmer and not from running them hard on the track.

I just got dual temp warmers this year(because I got them for more than 50% off), I plan on trying high and low setting on a set of Q3 that are 50% life left just to see what happens.
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Any of the name brands are good. The new Vortex warmers with digital adjustment are cool, but now Iím using woodcraftís which I really like because of the auto shut off feature. Low temp is useful for racing mainly, but if youíre at a trackday and want to keep your tires on low before lunch because youíre going right out after then itís useful. Single temp I wouldnít like because youíre stuck with no options. I pretty much keep my tires warmed on low or high at all times during the day lately, only turn off if Itís going to be more than 1-1.5 hours between riding. Better to not heat cycle
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I've seen reference of using low temp on more street oriented tires, but most of this was anecdotal from different forums and FB, etc. Opinion seems to be tires like that get greasy at high temp, although I have a hard time believing it's from the tire warmer and not from running them hard on the track.

I just got dual temp warmers this year(because I got them for more than 50% off), I plan on trying high and low setting on a set of Q3 that are 50% life left just to see what happens.
Street tires canít hold super high heat like a racing slick but yeah thatís pretty much just anecdotal BS. Reason is that unless youíre a pretty fast guy the tire is probably going to have a lower temp on track than a warmer on hot setting anyways

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These are some of the ones I'm considering:

RISE "TRACKDAY PRO" S/T MOTORCYCLE TIRE WARMERS $259.99



Chicken Hawk Racing Privateer Standard Tire Warmers $356.36


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Street tires canít hold super high heat like a racing slick but yeah thatís pretty much just anecdotal BS. Reason is that unless youíre a pretty fast guy the tire is probably going to have a lower temp on track than a warmer on hot setting anyways
if you have ever measured the actual heat in the tire on a dot street tire at a trackday event..... Well there are tons of variables!!!
~ but I have measured it on numerous tires from numerous riders and it is very common to only see 115*-135* surface temp(slower riders to faster riders) on them immediately entering the pits (now mind you if you were at some event with ambient temps over 100* and a bright sunny day- these same riders could find their temps higher)
So most those warmers even on the low setting of 135* is warmer than they will typically see on the track

And yes, street tires are made to work within ~5% of their optimal traction limits in a wide- albeit low- temperature range like one would encounter on the street - less than 130* tire temp

When you start getting them over about 145* they do start falling out of that peak performance range, get them in the 160* and they are getting sketchy, take them into the 170's or 180's you may as well start throwing hundred dollar bills out the truck you hauled it there with, while driving down the freeway............because your medical and repair bills will be huge unless you just give up riding and putt around til they cool back off

the highest I have ever seen DOT's run when I ride is 138* and that is riding at a decent pace for about 30 minutes straight.......... most of the time when I have checked they are closer to 132* (20 minutes sessions is typical)
on the street the same tires vary wildly depending on the road, but 105-120 is very common when I have measured in typical 70*-85* ambient temps

Easiest thing to do is physically measure them!

and just as a side note to the warmers- it typically takes about 45-60 minutes to actually get the tire fully warmed to the warmer setting when you first put them on
between sessions one can simply leave them on the low setting and keep them about 135* (from 135* is takes about 20 minutes to get back to 175*....atleast here in the great white north that has been the norm when ambient temps are 70's-80's)

I am not sure you can really go too wrong with any of the dual temperature units that are not made in china or some other 3rd world nation shithole.... they all have their limits though and abuse/neglect shortens life significantly

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Dual temps are neat, but not all that useful in my book.

Rains don't require them, and if they do, are your tire warmers water proof? Oh...you didn't think about the scenario when you come back into the pits and the entire bike is wet? Interesting...

People talk about the low setting so you don't 'bake' your tires over lunch or whatever...if the tires are designed to operate at that temperature, and the warmers keep them at that same constant temp...what are you "baking", exactly?

The more shit the warmer has, the more shit can go wrong with it. Love my Capit's. Single temp, no switches, no theromstats, and not that I need it, but they're waterproof as well. Woodcraft's are really nice as well, but I'd like them more if they were single temp only. I've had the switch bumped more than once and didn't notice until the warmer was coming off and I was about to go out on a luke warm tire, with a pressure I couldn't really set because it wasn't up to temp.
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Switching to slicks after my Q4's are worn.

Considering 2000w generator. Would that be sufficient?

Also, any benefits from using dual temp vs single?
Slightly off topic, but what were your thoughts on the Q4's?
Did you ever get rid of the "wobble" you mentioned in the tire thread?
What made you jump to slicks for the next set?
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Slightly off topic, but what were your thoughts on the Q4's?
Did you ever get rid of the "wobble" you mentioned in the tire thread?
What made you jump to slicks for the next set?
Q4's are good but slicks are almost the same price so it doesn't make sense to keep buying them for a track only bike.

The wobble was due to tank cover fairing interfering with the alignment of the steering damper so I switched to the graves ohlins damper.
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Slightly off topic, but what were your thoughts on the Q4's?
Iíve been running Q4ís over this Winter/Spring trackday season here in AZ. I love them and feel more confidence with them than the Q3+, however they wear out REALLY quick! At least the rear does... iím a B+/A- pace rider and iím really lucky if I get three days out of a rear. Iíve actually been having the problem where on the third day I feel like I need to change the rear mid-day, so that adds a level of irritation since one shouldnít have to waste track time getting tires changed, in my opinion. On the Q3/Q3+rear I could always get through ďone more dayĒ if I had to.

Iím starting to consider the switch to slicks, however, iím lazy ... and donít want to dick around with the warmers and generators.... Also, physically obtaining the slicks is more difficult than buying a set of Q4ís. One other factor that I struggle with is that at my riding pace I donít think slicks will be kept within their optimal temperature. It doesnít make sense to me to use race tires if they are not hot enough to give you race traction, because of oneís lack of ability. The Q4 doesnít seem to have that problem.
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Also, got the chance to ride a stock S1000RR with Dunlop slicks on it and it felt AMAZING compared to the Q's.

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