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How many expert points do you need to enter supersport?
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200 points within 5 years on a bike legal for the supersport class and approved by club director then ama
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I don't think it's only based on points. Otherwise even a slow dude like me could enter after a few years of accumulating points lol Meanwhile back in 2016 (I think?), Mark Rhoades skipped out on expert club races and went straight from kicking ass as an amateur to doing almost a full season in MotoAmerica. Granted he didn't qualify for like half the rounds and got lapped in the ones that he did qualify in, but still...point is it's possible, if MA gives you the green light. They might consider other things, like results so far and your lap times.
If I remember correctly, Mark raced the stock 600 class. Every class has different rules and I'm guessing that one would've been easier to get a license for.

It's all personal preference obviously, but this feels a lot like the initial discussion we had on my other Novice thread about jumping to expert lol. Do I regret bumping to expert mid-season? No. Not at all. I think it has forced me to become a better rider sooner than if I hadn't jumped. BUT, it was much harder than I was expecting and I had a really rough go for a little while there. All that to say I stand by my first statement. I don't think I'll be ready this year. Next year is a definite possibility though.

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If I remember correctly, Mark raced the stock 600 class. Every class has different rules and I'm guessing that one would've been easier to get a license for.

It's all personal preference obviously, but this feels a lot like the initial discussion we had on my other Novice thread about jumping to expert lol. Do I regret bumping to expert mid-season? No. Not at all. I think it has forced me to become a better rider sooner than if I hadn't jumped. BUT, it was much harder than I was expecting and I had a really rough go for a little while there. All that to say I stand by my first statement. I don't think I'll be ready this year. Next year is a definite possibility though.



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I don't remember for sure but I thought he did Supersport. I know Jody Barry and Jason Farrell did Supersport and they were all on the same team, all bikes built by Farrell. Nevertheless, the stock 600 class is gone now anyway.

Don't get me wrong, when I said you should do it, I never meant that you'd probably get on the podium. Gotta have realistic expectations. I just meant you should do it for the experience. Look at the Daytona 200 race. Top guys were doing 1:49s, but there were 64 riders in that race this year, with some of the guys at the back running around 2:04s. 15 second difference in pace, but they were still out there for the experience, and to say they did the Daytona 200 and raced among some of the best in the country. I think it would be cool to run some MA races even if you only finish like 20th. You get some TV time, probably improve your lap times, gain more experience, lose a bunch of money, etc...especially if you do it at Laguna Seca!

200 points doesn't seem that much. I don't know how AFM does their scoring, but in CCS, the top guys usually end up with around 1200-1300 points in a season with only 8 rounds. So 200 points can be had pretty quickly if you're fast.
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I don't remember for sure but I thought he did Supersport. I know Jody Barry and Jason Farrell did Supersport and they were all on the same team, all bikes built by Farrell. Nevertheless, the stock 600 class is gone now anyway.

Don't get me wrong, when I said you should do it, I never meant that you'd probably get on the podium. Gotta have realistic expectations. I just meant you should do it for the experience. Look at the Daytona 200 race. Top guys were doing 1:49s, but there were 64 riders in that race this year, with some of the guys at the back running around 2:04s. 15 second difference in pace, but they were still out there for the experience, and to say they did the Daytona 200 and raced among some of the best in the country. I think it would be cool to run some MA races even if you only finish like 20th. You get some TV time, probably improve your lap times, gain more experience, lose a bunch of money, etc...especially if you do it at Laguna Seca!

200 points doesn't seem that much. I don't know how AFM does their scoring, but in CCS, the top guys usually end up with around 1200-1300 points in a season with only 8 rounds. So 200 points can be had pretty quickly if you're fast.
So, I get the 200 is an iconic race, and I do think it's cool that a lot of guys want to do it for the experience, BUT, I think it is abolutely insane that they let riders who are 15 SECONDS PER LAP slower in a 200 mile race, at a professional event! It's unsafe. At AFM round 1, Brice Prince was in the 1:44-45 range and even the first 7-8 novices were less than 15 seconds slower with a sub 2:00 lap time lol.
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Yeah I agree, I think it’s nuts. I think they have a 110% rule for qualifying, or 115. Can’t remember for sure. I think it needs to be reduced because it’s a shit show with so many riders and it’s 2-waves. Leaders start lapping people after only like 6-7 laps and it’s a 57-lap race lol

What’s the MA Supersport limit for qualifying? Is it 110%?
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Yeah I agree, I think itís nuts. I think they have a 110% rule for qualifying, or 115. Canít remember for sure. I think it needs to be reduced because itís a shit show with so many riders and itís 2-waves. Leaders start lapping people after only like 6-7 laps and itís a 57-lap race lol

Whatís the MA Supersport limit for qualifying? Is it 110%?
That's a good question. It's either 107 or 110% I think.
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That's a good question. It's either 107 or 110% I think.
I thought I had read it was %110 when I was reading about guys qualifying for the twins class, possibly use the same % for all classes?
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So, I get the 200 is an iconic race, and I do think it's cool that a lot of guys want to do it for the experience, BUT, I think it is abolutely insane that they let riders who are 15 SECONDS PER LAP slower in a 200 mile race, at a professional event! It's unsafe. At AFM round 1, Brice Prince was in the 1:44-45 range and even the first 7-8 novices were less than 15 seconds slower with a sub 2:00 lap time lol.
It's a bit unfair to compare lap times at Daytona from just the time alone. How long is the track?

A pace that is 15 seconds slower than the winner at Daytona is a hell of a lot faster of a pace than someone that's 15 seconds slower than someone at a short track (Roebling Road comes to mind).
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It's a bit unfair to compare lap times at Daytona from just the time alone. How long is the track?

A pace that is 15 seconds slower than the winner at Daytona is a hell of a lot faster of a pace than someone that's 15 seconds slower than someone at a short track (Roebling Road comes to mind).
That's a fair point, but I'd argue a lot of daytona is on the banking at WOT in a tuck for a good percentage. Only stretch like that at Buttonwillow is the short front straight.

Looks like a 200 mile race divided by 57 laps gives a track length of 3.5 miles. Buttonwillow's website just gives the "combined" track length of 3.1 and since the configuration AFM runs is just a touch shorter I'd say Buttonwillow is maybe 2.9-3.0 miles
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To answer the questions, since I read most of the AMA publications lol

Itís 108% of fastest qualifying lap for supersport

And it doesnít matter what points are assigned in the club race, the AMA assigns their own points. 20 for 1st place and goes down from there. Iíll just link you
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To answer the questions, since I read most of the AMA publications lol

Itís 108% of fastest qualifying lap for supersport

And it doesnít matter what points are assigned in the club race, the AMA assigns their own points. 20 for 1st place and goes down from their. Iíll just link you
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That's a fair point, but I'd argue a lot of daytona is on the banking at WOT in a tuck for a good percentage. Only stretch like that at Buttonwillow is the short front straight.
Exactly my point, so if a slower rider is 3-5 MPH slower going through the chicane than the front pack, times that over the distance of the banking and how long they are WOT...how much does that add up to? We're not even discussing the front pack running built-specifically-for-Daytona motors and the guys in the back (that are legit slower, no doubt) also trying to do the same thing on a tired, bone stock motor...not running MR12.
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We're not even discussing the front pack running built-specifically-for-Daytona motors and the guys in the back (that are legit slower, no doubt) also trying to do the same thing on a tired, bone stock motor...not running MR12.
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Exactly my point, so if a slower rider is 3-5 MPH slower going through the chicane than the front pack, times that over the distance of the banking and how long they are WOT...how much does that add up to? We're not even discussing the front pack running built-specifically-for-Daytona motors and the guys in the back (that are legit slower, no doubt) also trying to do the same thing on a tired, bone stock motor...not running MR12.
Ok, I'll buy it

Maybe the correlation to novice riders I made is unfair, but I still think they should have a cutoff. 108% would be 1:58ish

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