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post #106 of 122 Old 05-19-2019, 10:57 AM
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I think the ī19 model looks pretty cool as a racebike. I also like that Graves exhaust system, looks and sounds beautiful.

Man Iīm really jealous, here in Germany we have strickt noise limits at most racetracks. So no more racing sound over here on the tracks. Itīs a big issue on trackdays here, you always have to fear to get black flagged for exceeding the noise limits and itīs getting worse every year, thanks to the EU.
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that sucks. Germany has so much race history and to be limited like that is not fair.
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I think the ī19 model looks pretty cool as a racebike. I also like that Graves exhaust system, looks and sounds beautiful.

Man Iīm really jealous, here in Germany we have strickt noise limits at most racetracks. So no more racing sound over here on the tracks. Itīs a big issue on trackdays here, you always have to fear to get black flagged for exceeding the noise limits and itīs getting worse every year, thanks to the EU.
Wow that sucks. I never would have guessed that Germany would be strict on that. I can maybe understand public roads, but race tracks?? Do you know what the dB limit is at the places you've been to?

Here in the US, there are a few tracks that are very strict on that, such as Laguna Seca and Jennings (that I know of). Not sure what their limit is but you can pass with an aftermarket exhaust as long as it's one that's more quiet and has a baffle in it. My old home track has a sign at the gate that says "Sound limit 110 dB. Strictly enforced." However even though that's a respectable limit, not crazy low, nobody is out there to measure and enforce anything. I think they just had to put the sign on to make someone happy but they really don't give a shit lol
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Wow that sucks. I never would have guessed that Germany would be strict on that. I can maybe understand public roads, but race tracks?? Do you know what the dB limit is at the places you've been to?

Here in the US, there are a few tracks that are very strict on that, such as Laguna Seca and Jennings (that I know of). Not sure what their limit is but you can pass with an aftermarket exhaust as long as it's one that's more quiet and has a baffle in it. My old home track has a sign at the gate that says "Sound limit 110 dB. Strictly enforced." However even though that's a respectable limit, not crazy low, nobody is out there to measure and enforce anything. I think they just had to put the sign on to make someone happy but they really don't give a shit lol
yeah that was so silly. Build a neighborhood close to one of the oldest race tracks in the states and then cry about it being to loud
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Unfortunately yes, but itīs a European Union thing. They want to go "green" by every means and motorsports is easy prey.

At Hockenheim, which is known for Formula 1 Grand Prix the limit is 98dB at a trackday, which is too low even for some stock exhaust system. It is strictly enforced by the Racetrack. First you have your static noise messure that you have to pass to even get on the track in the first place. But you also have microphones mounted at the track itself. So itīs possible to pass the static messure, but race controll can still wave the black flag at you, if youīre too loud passing the mics, which happened to me with my Daytona R.

Sachsenring which holds the German Moto GP round has the strictest limit in Germany. Only stock exhaust systems (not even a slip on with baffle) and stock air filters allowed and some stock exhaust system still need a baffle to pass.

Itīs getting worse every year. Even tracks that didnīt have a limit in the past like Brno in Czech Republic, have a limit now.
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Wow that sucks. I never would have guessed that Germany would be strict on that. I can maybe understand public roads, but race tracks?? Do you know what the dB limit is at the places you've been to?

Here in the US, there are a few tracks that are very strict on that, such as Laguna Seca and Jennings (that I know of). Not sure what their limit is but you can pass with an aftermarket exhaust as long as it's one that's more quiet and has a baffle in it. My old home track has a sign at the gate that says "Sound limit 110 dB. Strictly enforced." However even though that's a respectable limit, not crazy low, nobody is out there to measure and enforce anything. I think they just had to put the sign on to make someone happy but they really don't give a shit lol
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Unfortunately yes, but itīs a European Union thing. They want to go "green" by every means and motorsports is easy prey.

At Hockenheim, which is known for Formula 1 Grand Prix the limit is 98dB at a trackday, which is too low even for some stock exhaust system. It is strictly enforced by the Racetrack. First you have your static noise messure that you have to pass to even get on the track in the first place. But you also have microphones mounted at the track itself. So itīs possible to pass the static messure, but race controll can still wave the black flag at you, if youīre too loud passing the mics, which happened to me with my Daytona R.

Sachsenring which holds the German Moto GP round has the strictest limit in Germany. Only stock exhaust systems (not even a slip on with baffle) and stock air filters allowed and some stock exhaust system still need a baffle to pass.

Itīs getting worse every year. Even tracks that didnīt have a limit in the past like Brno in Czech Republic, have a limit now.
Wow. That's crazy. I don't understand what that has to do with going "green" other than limiting noise pollution.

We have a 90dB limit at Laguna Seca, but it's only measured after turn 5 so all you really have to do is short shift when you have an aftermarket system and a baffle.

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They want to make motorsports as unattractive as possible, since youīre burning fuel and destroying the environment just for personal plessure
Lowering the noise limits is a good way, to reduce the amount of motorsport events, respectively the amount of participants per track day.

Also you have the problem as described by honestSquid. Residents buying cheap land or apartements/houses near a racetrack, which has been there for ages, and then sue the city because of the "noise pollution".

The only place in Germany that is not affected, yet, is the Nurburgring Nordschleife.

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Wow. That's crazy. I don't understand what that has to do with going "green" other than limiting noise pollution.

We have a 90dB limit at Laguna Seca, but it's only measured after turn 5 so all you really have to do is short shift when you have an aftermarket system and a baffle.
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Unfortunately yes, but itīs a European Union thing. They want to go "green" by every means and motorsports is easy prey.

At Hockenheim, which is known for Formula 1 Grand Prix the limit is 98dB at a trackday, which is too low even for some stock exhaust system. It is strictly enforced by the Racetrack. First you have your static noise messure that you have to pass to even get on the track in the first place. But you also have microphones mounted at the track itself. So itīs possible to pass the static messure, but race controll can still wave the black flag at you, if youīre too loud passing the mics, which happened to me with my Daytona R.

Sachsenring which holds the German Moto GP round has the strictest limit in Germany. Only stock exhaust systems (not even a slip on with baffle) and stock air filters allowed and some stock exhaust system still need a baffle to pass.

Itīs getting worse every year. Even tracks that didnīt have a limit in the past like Brno in Czech Republic, have a limit now.
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They want to make motorsports as unattractive as possible, since youīre burning fuel and destroying the environment just for personal plessure
Lowering the noise limits is a good way, to reduce the amount of motorsport events, respectively the amount of participants per track day.

Also you have the problem as described by honestSquid. Residents buying cheap land or apartements/houses near a racetrack, which has been there for ages, and then sue the city because of the "noise pollution".

The only place in Germany that is not affected, yet, is the Nurburgring Nordschleife.
That's pretty crazy and sad. Motorsports is slowly being killed by tree huggers and people who just have absolutely no interest in it. I had no idea it was this bad over in your area, especially since motorsports have always been much more popular in Europe than here in the US. You're really making me reconsider whether I want to go work in Germany for a year lol...I have the opportunity to do so and one of the reasons I'd want to go is to get the chance to maybe do some track days at some of the awesome GP/WSBK tracks around there like Sachsenring, Brno, Assen, Red Bull Ring, etc. But this is sort of a buzzkill for that
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That's pretty crazy and sad. Motorsports is slowly being killed by tree huggers and people who just have absolutely no interest in it. I had no idea it was this bad over in your area, especially since motorsports have always been much more popular in Europe than here in the US. You're really making me reconsider whether I want to go work in Germany for a year lol...I have the opportunity to do so and one of the reasons I'd want to go is to get the chance to maybe do some track days at some of the awesome GP/WSBK tracks around there like Sachsenring, Brno, Assen, Red Bull Ring, etc. But this is sort of a buzzkill for that
If that's what holds you back it seems like you aren't really that committed... lol

Although I will agree, those rules are shit and people suck
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If that's what holds you back it seems like you aren't really that committed... lol

Although I will agree, those rules are shit and people suck
Lol yep, you're right. I've been there quite a few times on short trips (a week or so at a time). So for me one of the things that made it appealing to go there for longer term is to hit up some of the awesome european tracks around there. That was my commitment factor lol
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You still can hit up some European tracks, just make sure your bike isnīt too loud

Also the Black Forest is a paradise for anyone who likes twistys.

My favorite track is Brno, it is definitely worth a visit. The elevation changes are impressive. Famous Horse Power Hill is very steep. At the moment the noise limit there is pretty reasonable
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Lol yep, you're right. I've been there quite a few times on short trips (a week or so at a time). So for me one of the things that made it appealing to go there for longer term is to hit up some of the awesome european tracks around there. That was my commitment factor lol
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@Backmarker ...tell us what you think of the 2019 race bike as oppose to the previous generations since you've raced them all now.

Also, are you going to be at NJMP this weekend? I'll be working as a grid marshall...hopefully I can actually make it there tomorrow due to all the storms we're supposed to get here.
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