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post #91 of 103 Old 05-16-2019, 01:30 PM
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I agree with you but it'll be good practice getting used to putting them on and off and setting tire pressures correctly while I wear these off and install slicks.
Last time I installed warmers............. I think once you've done it once you know exactly how and need no further practice?!?!

Maybe I am wrong?


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Good practice to get used to doing it in my opinion. Everything can be practiced and made more efficient.
Plus can practice setting cold temps then putting on warmers and checking warm temps, etc. Also practicing to remember to unplug them and not leave them on the bike like the one video I saw
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You will get plenty of warmer experience. Fuck that nonsense, if the tires you're using don't require them, don't use them. Enjoy not having to put your bike on stands and just using the kick stand.

Only those that are new and motivated about that stuff like to do more work than what is required...and here we are.

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You will get plenty of warmer experience. Fuck that nonsense, if the tires you're using don't require them, don't use them. Enjoy not having to put your bike on stands and just using the kick stand.

Only those that are new and motivated about that stuff like to do more work than what is required...and here we are.
I greatly appreciate the advice @Otto Man and everyone else. I'll never be a pro at this point but armature is just fine. My goal is to save any penny I can from unnecessary mistakes to cut down on track time and costs.

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None of us will ever be pro, and this is just one big expensive (but extremely fun) hobby. Hear you loud and clear on not wanting to make unnecessary mistakes.
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Thought I would throw this little anecdote in here. Was at Pitt Race on June 1st for a TD with Evolve. In the afternoon they did a 5 lap race for 1000cc class bikes. The lady who took 1st place out of I think 8 riders was running Q3+'s. She had been coaching and thought the race was on the 2nd so didn't have slicks on. She ended up putting down a 1:51 on a GSXR 750 running the Q3+. For some perspective the superbike race last year Toni Elias did a 1:41 and the guy in last did a 1:47 I think Bruno Silva. Pretty crazy what just the Q3 tire is capable of for a much cheaper option doing track days.

*One point to make is MA runs a chicane made from some cones that they don't run for the TD*
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https://www.roadracingworld.com/news...labeled-tires/

Here's some more information for anyone interested.

I asked Pirelli where the tires fall in their range, their response was that they are a DOT tire that falls between the SC's and the SP's
Pretty good deal for a set at $329, cheaper than the Q4's from Dunlop. Will be interested to see some comparisons and reviews once they're out in the world longer.
I have a set of these on the way. Ill post back after a few days on them.
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Just dragging this back out...

Lots of talk about Bridgestone and Dunlop, very little about the others and very few comments on tire profile differences. I ran a couple sets of 'stones on my 2006 GSXR1000 and they were OK, but the rounded profile slowed steering and never felt really planted once leaned over for me. I then tried a set of Pilot Power 2CT's and they were a fantastic improvement. The bike felt lighter and more nimble, fell to full lean much more easily and felt more planted once there. I have run Michelins since because of their triangular profile and how they felt compared to the 'stones.

Any comments on the profile differences between the brands? Are the current Bridgestones still quite rounded? How does Dunlop compare to the others in feel (I've never ridden Dunlops)?

I'm not fast (faster end of Novice, usually) and my mileage is mostly street but I still like a decently sticky tire that I can run on the track a bit. I'm thinking of switching to Pilot Road 3 or 4 once I burn off the 2CT's I currently have on the ZX6R. Any thoughts on those for a duffer track day rider?


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Just dragging this back out...



Lots of talk about Bridgestone and Dunlop, very little about the others and very few comments on tire profile differences. I ran a couple sets of 'stones on my 2006 GSXR1000 and they were OK, but the rounded profile slowed steering and never felt really planted once leaned over for me. I then tried a set of Pilot Power 2CT's and they were a fantastic improvement. The bike felt lighter and more nimble, fell to full lean much more easily and felt more planted once there. I have run Michelins since because of their triangular profile and how they felt compared to the 'stones.



Any comments on the profile differences between the brands? Are the current Bridgestones still quite rounded? How does Dunlop compare to the others in feel (I've never ridden Dunlops)?



I'm not fast (faster end of Novice, usually) and my mileage is mostly street but I still like a decently sticky tire that I can run on the track a bit. I'm thinking of switching to Pilot Road 3 or 4 once I burn off the 2CT's I currently have on the ZX6R. Any thoughts on those for a duffer track day rider?





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As far as I know the PR range isnít recommended for track duty but I could be wrong....Iíve ran Dunlopís Q2 and Q3, Michelin PP3 and now Iím on Pirelli Supercorsa SPs which are my favorite for sure. I didnít get a chance to run the Michelinís on the track but the Pirellis just feel so good itís a no brainer for me at the moment.


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As far as I know the PR range isnít recommended for track duty but I could be wrong....Iíve ran Dunlopís Q2 and Q3, Michelin PP3 and now Iím on Pirelli Supercorsa SPs which are my favorite for sure. I didnít get a chance to run the Michelinís on the track but the Pirellis just feel so good itís a no brainer for me at the moment.
A slower friend ran a set of PR3's on a track day a couple years back and they held up OK for him, but I am somewhat faster (and heavier) than he is, so who knows? How do the Pirelli's compare to the Michelin's in terms of handling and profile?


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S21's are relatively flat profiled, much like sport touring tires........ probably close to the same profile of your PP2CT
Q4's and Q3+'s are very triangulated
The Pilot road series will be flatter yet....... they are sport touring tires

the more triangulated the easier to lean and the bigger the contact patch at full lean........but there are trade offs and negatives for average joeschmo legal (mostly legal) street riding --- and you may well never be able to use all that max lean (60*+ on Q4's) on the street and thus never utilize its biggest strength......... max lean angle contact patch grip!

the flatter profiles will have bigger straight line contact patch and big contact patches at moderate lean angles (up to about 30*)but it will get smaller and smaller the further you lean and you may well find the limit at sub 50* and on some tires sub 45*

So the problem lies in.....
~how do you ride most the time
~where do you want it to work the best
~how much are you willing to sacrifice and in what areas (cost, tread life, traction at lean, traction at the track, straighline etc...)
~ it is always some compromise......and the pains one goes to find the right set for themself is generally worth it.... but short lived as manufacturers change models and profiles and compounds/belt tension etc.... like the rabbits fuck and produce more rabbits.....

If you are one to never want chicken strips, buy the flatest profile sport touring tire and you can reach the edge of the tires around 40* lean angle.......easy peasy...great for those kickstand events to brag about the riding prowess and how great one is......
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[I]S21's are relatively flat profiled, much like sport touring tires........ probably close to the same profile of your PP2CT
I don't recall if the Bridgestones were S21's or not, it was a few years ago now. The 2CT's are way more triangular than the 'stones were and significantly improved the handling and performance at lean. Sounds like I should look at a set of Q3's as well to get the triangular profile. How do the Pirelli Supercorsa's compare? 2CT's are cheap enough that I may just buy a spare set and keep them for the next change, but I figured I should look around at the current offerings and see if I was missing anything.


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A slower friend ran a set of PR3's on a track day a couple years back and they held up OK for him, but I am somewhat faster (and heavier) than he is, so who knows? How do the Pirelli's compare to the Michelin's in terms of handling and profile?





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I never got around to really riding on the
Michelinís as they were only on my street bike for a short time before I traded it in. From what I remember the turn in was a little quicker with the Michelinís than the Q2s. The pirellis fall right into corners and stick like glue on the track.

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