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post #16 of 33 Old 08-01-2019, 04:05 AM
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Firrst lot of new pics just been released (will buy them when all the photos come out). This might show where I'm going wrong:
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Where the fuck are those dudes behind him looking?
If its the guy in the whilte helmet & bike in the bottom pic, he's the instructor so said to ignore him if he takes some weird lines, its apparently so he can see my hand movements etc.

If you mean any of the other rides, fuck know. I just try to look where I WANT to go, and try push my head over to that direction as well.
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Firrst lot of new pics just been released (will buy them when all the photos come out). This might show where I'm going wrong:

Liam... please do not feel like the guys here are bitchin' & stichin' your arse. We're trying to give you valid pointers/observations/ways to improve. And... to not only be faster, but substantially safer to boot (pun intended).

With that said here are a few things to work on, Little things. Precision riding is a wee bit like the perfect golf swing, Stay with me, just for for argument's sake let's say there are 100 key facets to hitting the perfect swing, screw up just one of those required items, and the other 99 down the bog. I suck at math, so I'm keeping it real simple.

Your heels and toes have to be set just so; your hands/fingers have to grasp the club in a very specific manner which includes how your fingers & thumbs are situated; the psi grip that your hands have on the grip; lower your butt as if you were trying to crap on your heels; look intently at where you want the ball to go. Look at the ball perched on the tee. Control your wind-up... how are your wrists, thumbs, elbows, etc. Golf is a mechanical swing utilizing: arcs, fulcrum points, tangential trigonometric functions.

Riding a high performance motorbike at elevated velocities requires the degree of finesse and technical skill sets, and none of us have arrived at our present performance level in a single bound. Like golf, it requires discipline, hours upon hours of saddle time; set goals; evaluate results; analysis of errors; re-test; re-evaluate... well you get the picture.

My academic background is in biology, organic chemistry, and bio-cultural/bio-medical anthropology. I mention this not to impress you with my fiscal indebtedness to academia, but rather to explain 'My ruler' for fact-checking my own thoughts/opinions and hypotheses is something called the Scientific Method. You might be asking yourself: So what? That's fair. But this is what the Scientific Method is in a big furry/fuzzy/nut shell: "Since the 17th century, the scientific method has been the gold standard for investigating the natural world. It is how scientists correctly arrive at new knowledge, and update their previous knowledge. It consists of systematic observation, measurement, experiment, and the formulation of questions or hypotheses."

This pursuit of knowledge and evaluation of both perceived and factual observations and results is exactly what you are struggling with. Stop waiting for the photographer to capture the perfect Marco/Jorgé/Jonathan/Alvaro form/technique/results. Get a friend with a GoPro to follow you on the track and/or street. Then critically review what transpires. Be brutally honest with yourself. Set in motion how/what you can/must do to eek out ever improving results. Stop be hung up on getting your knee down. It's at best a phallic obsession. Instead concentrate on improving your lap times. And guess what follows? More examination/practice/coaching/learning... and your knee slider will contact terra firma. And gradually, you'll stop thinking about it all together.

Good luck Liam, do keep us posted with your improving lap times and increased safety margins. And keep coming back with those Qs.
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Thanks ZedExmuse, I'm booked into my first track day on the 17 August and I found your post most helpful.
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Liam... please do not feel like the guys here are bitchin' & stichin' your arse. We're trying to give you valid pointers/observations/ways to improve. And... to not only be faster, but substantially safer to boot (pun intended).

With that said here are a few things to work on, Little things. Precision riding is a wee bit like the perfect golf swing, Stay with me, just for for argument's sake let's say there are 100 key facets to hitting the perfect swing, screw up just one of those required items, and the other 99 down the bog. I suck at math, so I'm keeping it real simple.

Your heels and toes have to be set just so; your hands/fingers have to grasp the club in a very specific manner which includes how your fingers & thumbs are situated; the psi grip that your hands have on the grip; lower your butt as if you were trying to crap on your heels; look intently at where you want the ball to go. Look at the ball perched on the tee. Control your wind-up... how are your wrists, thumbs, elbows, etc. Golf is a mechanical swing utilizing: arcs, fulcrum points, tangential trigonometric functions.

Riding a high performance motorbike at elevated velocities requires the degree of finesse and technical skill sets, and none of us have arrived at our present performance level in a single bound. Like golf, it requires discipline, hours upon hours of saddle time; set goals; evaluate results; analysis of errors; re-test; re-evaluate... well you get the picture.

My academic background is in biology, organic chemistry, and bio-cultural/bio-medical anthropology. I mention this not to impress you with my fiscal indebtedness to academia, but rather to explain 'My ruler' for fact-checking my own thoughts/opinions and hypotheses is something called the Scientific Method. You might be asking yourself: So what? That's fair. But this is what the Scientific Method is in a big furry/fuzzy/nut shell: "Since the 17th century, the scientific method has been the gold standard for investigating the natural world. It is how scientists correctly arrive at new knowledge, and update their previous knowledge. It consists of systematic observation, measurement, experiment, and the formulation of questions or hypotheses."

This pursuit of knowledge and evaluation of both perceived and factual observations and results is exactly what you are struggling with. Stop waiting for the photographer to capture the perfect Marco/Jorgé/Jonathan/Alvaro form/technique/results. Get a friend with a GoPro to follow you on the track and/or street. Then critically review what transpires. Be brutally honest with yourself. Set in motion how/what you can/must do to eek out ever improving results. Stop be hung up on getting your knee down. It's at best a phallic obsession. Instead concentrate on improving your lap times. And guess what follows? More examination/practice/coaching/learning... and your knee slider will contact terra firma. And gradually, you'll stop thinking about it all together.

Good luck Liam, do keep us posted with your improving lap times and increased safety margins. And keep coming back with those Qs.
That was a long ass post that I think I only got 10% of the meaning, haha. I unerstand the scientific method, I have a masters degree in exercise science. I'm hoping I can convince my friend to run behind me for maybe 1 session with my brothers gopro strapped to his windscreen, August 23rd
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That was a long ass post that I think I only got 10% of the meaning, haha. I unerstand the scientific method, I have a masters degree in exercise science. I'm hoping I can convince my friend to run behind me for maybe 1 session with my brothers gopro strapped to his windscreen, August 23rd
That's average for him as far as posts go on the forum. If you got 10% of that it means you pretty much got the whole message. The other 90% is shit that nobody understands...fluff words and such lol

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That's average for him as far as posts go on the forum. If you got 10% of that it means you pretty much got the whole message. The other 90% is shit that nobody understands...fluff words and such lol

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Far be it for me to comment.....devious

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@ZedExMuse : "use the scientific method to thoroughly analyze your riding. Make sure to go visit a psychotherapist and uncover any hidden past trauma that may be limiting your riding ability."

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Fabio Quartararo and countless MotoGP riders (Motorsport): "I brain turn off 'n I go fast".

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That's average for him as far as posts go on the forum. If you got 10% of that it means you pretty much got the whole message. The other 90% is shit that nobody understands...fluff words and such lol

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Forgive SBK, I'll translate and use limited syballic words so SBK can follow along.

Your shopping list should look something like this:

1) Balls of feet on pegs. In time it will be OK to move them slightly, but for now anchor just the balls contacting the pegs.
2) When transitioning your body from one side of your bike to the other for a series of esses, plant your weight on the balls of your feet very firmly on the pegs and lift your arse off the saddle using only your legs - not using your arms/hands. And... make all you movements well before the corner.
3) There will be moments when you're confronted with a set of corners where you'll actually want to 'set up' on the wrong side of the saddle for the 1st one, so that you can negotiate a more complex 2nd turn, in which case you won't worry about upsetting the suspension for a more crucial drive down the upcoming straight.
4) Elbows down! You do not ride a sportbike like an MX bike.
5) Like golf, grasp the grips the same way a golfer clings to his/her club - just tight enough to keep your hands on it. You're not trying to ring a chicken's neck. This is also what results when certain riders experience forearm pump, which sometimes requires surgery.
6) Eyes up and level with the horizon! Don't look down if you want to keep it up .
7)Do not crowd the gas tank with you jewels.

This short list should give you plenty to ponder. And do let us know how your next track day goes.

Oh apologies to SBK, I tried to keep it simple, but there were a few words over two syllables:
(3-syllables) Contacting; confronted; actually; upsetting; suspension; upcoming; surgery; horizon.
(4-syllables) Transitioning; negotiate; experience.

PM me buddy if you need me to decipher any of the red coloured words
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Forgive SBK, I'll translate and use limited syballic words so SBK can follow along.

Your shopping list should look something like this:

1) Balls of feet on pegs. In time it will be OK to move them slightly, but for now anchor just the balls contacting the pegs.
2) When transitioning your body from one side of your bike to the other for a series of esses, plant your weight on the balls of your feet very firmly on the pegs and lift your arse off the saddle using only your legs - not using your arms/hands. And... make all you movements well before the corner.
3) There will be moments when you're confronted with a set of corners where you'll actually want to 'set up' on the wrong side of the saddle for the 1st one, so that you can negotiate a more complex 2nd turn, in which case you won't worry about upsetting the suspension for a more crucial drive down the upcoming straight.
4) Elbows down! You do not ride a sportbike like an MX bike.
5) Like golf, grasp the grips the same way a golfer clings to his/her club - just tight enough to keep your hands on it. You're not trying to ring a chicken's neck. This is also what results when certain riders experience forearm pump, which sometimes requires surgery.
6) Eyes up and level with the horizon! Don't look down if you want to keep it up .
7)Do not crowd the gas tank with you jewels.

This short list should give you plenty to ponder. And do let us know how your next track day goes.

Oh apologies to SBK, I tried to keep it simple, but there were a few words over two syllables:
(3-syllables) Contacting; confronted; actually; upsetting; suspension; upcoming; surgery; horizon.
(4-syllables) Transitioning; negotiate; experience.

PM me buddy if you need me to decipher any of the red coloured words
Still too long, still didn't read it. But I appreciate your concern for my vocabulary knowledge. After all, English is not my native language, so I need all the help I can get...

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Need to rotate your inside foot and slide it more back on the peg. If you can't grab the end of the peg with your toes, like a monkey grabbing onto a tree limb, your foot is in the wrong place. Stock rear sets or not, you should not be dragging toe sliders with that little lean angle.
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Still too long, still didn't read it. But I appreciate your concern for my vocabulary knowledge. After all, English is not my native language, so I need all the help I can get...

Fear not, my good man... You're in good company, there are tens of thousands of natural born and bred Americans who cannot speak English. And when they attempt they tragically ravage and rape it savagely.
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fear not, my good man... You're in good company, there are tens of thousands of natural born and bred americans who cannot speak english. And when they attempt they tragically ravage and rape it savagely.
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I put that into google translate and it came out with "What is *****?" I'm guessing that's not quite what it means or what you intended to say? lol

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