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No, evolve does not. but I wish they did, 'cuz it's only 20 minutes from my house
I was thinking Pineview...whatever that is. I knew I saw a track that started with P on their schedule (besides PittRace) lol

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No, evolve does not. but I wish they did, 'cuz it's only 20 minutes from my house
Last I heard, Pocono was still a bit sketchy with the transition from the infield onto the straight...still the case?
At least you're probably within a couple hours of NYST...

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I was thinking Pineview...whatever that is. I knew I saw a track that started with P on their schedule (besides PittRace) lol
Just watched some videos of that place this week....wish I had a 300 or a supermoto
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Last I heard, Pocono was still a bit sketchy with the transition from the infield onto the straight...still the case?
At least you're probably within a couple hours of NYST...
yes, that transition is still there but they improved the track from what I remember 6 years ago. I heard the track is expensive that's why motorcycle clubs don't rush in. but the track itself has great facilities and location, like njmp everylthing is nearby. oh well, too bad
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Come down here to central PA, a ton of jobs and housing is relatively inexpensive. If you like visiting cities we also have Philly within a 1.5-2 hours, DC within 2 hours, Baltimore within 1.5 hours, NYC within 3 hours. Weather is probably a hell of a lot better than diddle dick NY or wherever it is you live.

But most importantly....Summit Point 2 hrs, NJMP 2.5 hrs, NYST 4 hrs, Pitt 4 hrs, Nelson Ledges 4.5 hrs, NC bike 5.5 hrs, VIR 6 hrs
Also Pocono is like 2 hrs but idk if anyone really runs there
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Line seemed to improve throughout the day. You don't have to hit that apex in 2, accelerate out of 1 and drift wider towards the outside of the track then bring it back to the middle of the track into the first part of 3. Apex somewhere in the middle of the track in between the two parts of three and accelerate out. Try to stay 4-5 feet from the curb to avoid the bumps.

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Line seemed to improve throughout the day. You don't have to hit that apex in 2, accelerate out of 1 and drift wider towards the outside of the track then bring it back to the middle of the track into the first part of 3. Apex somewhere in the middle of the track in between the two parts of three and accelerate out. Try to stay 4-5 feet from the curb to avoid the bumps.
I would agree with you, the line you described works better for me. I was just trying to follow what the coach was talking to me about, I was working with Gregor who had the downtown record there for a while (maybe still?). I'm looking to move to E3 group at some point in the future so just trying to play by their rules for the line. They tend to take a real hard stand on what is or is not the "line" even though the line can change from bike to bike. Saturday I was somewhere like 1:43 to 1:45 based on advanced video analysis lol. there was another guy on zx6r who I was consistently faster then who showed a 1.41 on his lap timer. Really need to just get an actual timing device to figure out where I am, would like to get under 1:40.

Sunday I cleaned up T1/T2 a lot better, you can see in the videos I was staying to far towards the middle and had to slow down a bunch to hit those apexes...was really forcing it. After realizing this it made double apexing and shooting out towards the middle much easier.

Everyone mentions those bumps but I never really have an issue in that part of the track with them. I did manage to ride into the grass coming off of T3 lol of course I had my gopro off
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I would agree with you, the line you described works better for me. I was just trying to follow what the coach was talking to me about, I was working with Gregor who had the downtown record there for a while (maybe still?). I'm looking to move to E3 group at some point in the future so just trying to play by their rules for the line. They tend to take a real hard stand on what is or is not the "line" even though the line can change from bike to bike. Saturday I was somewhere like 1:43 to 1:45 based on advanced video analysis lol. there was another guy on zx6r who I was consistently faster then who showed a 1.41 on his lap timer. Really need to just get an actual timing device to figure out where I am, would like to get under 1:40.

Sunday I cleaned up T1/T2 a lot better, you can see in the videos I was staying to far towards the middle and had to slow down a bunch to hit those apexes...was really forcing it. After realizing this it made double apexing and shooting out towards the middle much easier.

Everyone mentions those bumps but I never really have an issue in that part of the track with them. I did manage to ride into the grass coming off of T3 lol of course I had my gopro off
That's the main thing I did not agree with Evolve on when I coached with them. They seem to be very strict on the line. It's like that's 80% of what they talk about and they beat the 1-line rule into everyone, which I think is BS. There are many lines around a track.

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That's the main thing I did not agree with Evolve on when I coached with them. They seem to be very strict on the line. It's like that's 80% of what they talk about and they beat the 1-line rule into everyone, which I think is BS. There are many lines around a track.
Ya, that would be my only complaint with them. But hell, N2 was the same way when I rode with them.

Also it seems like once you get to E3 they don't care as long as you aren't doing something crazy. I kinda think it's their way of trying to reduce craziness in people in the lower groups.
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Ya, that would be my only complaint with them. But hell, N2 was the same way when I rode with them.

Also it seems like once you get to E3 they don't care as long as you aren't doing something crazy. I kinda think it's their way of trying to reduce craziness in people in the lower groups.
Yeah, maybe I noticed it more because Evolve is the only org I rode with around here in the Novice and Intermediate group since I coached in those groups one weekend. With PRE, N2 and the Riders Club I just did advance group, as well as with Evolve when I didn't coach. A group is a lot more laid back anywhere you go I think and is not really "coached". The coaches just ride around to make sure nobody does anything stupid and that all the people there actually belong in that group.

The reason for the 1-line thing is mostly because they want to teach predictability. The theory is that if everyone follows that one line they teach, then people will be predictable and if you need to pass someone you can trust that they'll be on the line you expect them to be on. But the thing is different bikes like different lines, as well as different riders like different lines (even at the top level in MotoGP you'll see differences in lines through some turns between riders). IMO, people should be taught that from the beginning and learn to adjust their riding based on that and NOT to rely on a single line. I think it makes you a much safer rider if you don't assume the guy in front is gonna be on the line that you would be on and instead observe what he's doing and figure it out as you go.

Good example...at the track day I was just at with N2 at NCbike, there was a dude on a GSXR that was all over the place. This was advance group too, and the dude was taking some weird lines in a few turns, and looked like he just couldn't hold his lines. Made passing him a bit more of a challenge, especially since I was on the 400, but had I assumed the line he was gonna be on each time, I probably would've rear ended him at some point. IMO there is no such thing as the "right line" and that's not something that should be focused on a lot. Sure, for someone that's new to track days or new to a particular track, spend a few laps with a coach and get to see what a good line is, so you have a good starting point, but I can't help but roll my eyes when I hear coaches or other people telling experienced track riders "follow me and I'll show you the line". Nah bitch, the line is easy to figure out...I need to figure out other shit, like how to go faster in and out of turns lol There are other topics that require a lot more focus and coaching, and are more challenging to learn. Things like braking technique, corner entry, body positioning, what to do when things go bad right in front of you, etc.

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Forgot to update my thread for 8/17 and 8/18 at NYST

Took a gamble on a weekend that looked like 60% rain and ended up with dry track for 95% of the weekend.
Got there around 9:00 on Friday night and the lower lot was completely packed and so was upper area, was surprised how many people were there for it being a possible rainy weekend. Rain held off until about 3:00 AM and then it poured buckets for a while, was woken up by rain pinging off my rainfly...luckily my tent is pretty decent and hasn't leaked yet.

Went out for first session, track was still damp but no standing water...only me and about 6 other guys ventured out...by end of my session the line was starting to dry up and the sun was burning off the rest of the track. Sun stayed out and was nice and warm until the end of the day. For the first session or two I was working on changing up my gears in a couple locations, I realized I was running a gear high in a few places which was costing me time in short straights and punching onto the main straight. Before lunch I hooked up with Gregor the one coach I work with a lot and ran a session with him. After that session he gave me two tips to work on for getting a better line in T3 and T12, he also said I was picking up a lot of speed compared to the last weekend and he wanted to eval me at the end of the day. After lunch worked on my line for those turns and worked on some braking zone changes for T1 (That turn always fucks me up). End of the day I went out with Gregor again and rode an eval session with him. It was an awesome session, I was already getting by about everyone on the track and he gave me a tow for one lap where I think I exceeded all speeds I had gone before. At the end of the day I bumped up to the E3 group with Evolve GT.

Day two the track was mostly dry to start, it had rained from about 5:00 to 8:00 PM the night before and was damp all night. I went out behind my neighbor on his RC390 for my first expert laps. I saw he was on slicks and decided it would be good to follow someone for a few laps to see how the track surface was(I'm running a Q3+ front and Q4 rear). Initially I was a bit nervous I would be getting dumped on in expert but I found myself passing a few people and not getting completely blown past. By lunch session a lot more guys were out who were quite fast, they did make me feel a tad slow but it was awesome to learn some new techniques for different turns. I ended up with a slight lowside in T3 (I'll post the vid later) during session 3, had too much lean angle and on the wrong line front stepped out and slid off track. I knew I was fucked when I drug my elbow and felt the front move a little. My guess is I didn't have any load on the front and I had too tight a grip on the bars. My bike was fine just had to replace a peg which Moto-D hooked me up with, little hole in my suit forearm but nothing major(almost hit the camera man though). Rest of the day went great, I was extremely tired though and started cutting my sessions short for the last two as I was getting sloppy. Missed the last session because I saw rain coming and figured it wasn't worth pushing myself any harder.

TL;DR: No rain to ruin the fun, got a bump to E3, drug my elbow then my body, got fast but still have much to learn! Oh also got a speeding ticket on my way to dinner, apparently dodge rams can accelerate from 0-70mph instantly according to the NY state police
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I'll be there this weekend for CCS, then the following weekend for MotoAmerica (just to help and hang out...trying to volunteer, but whoever runs the MA volunteer stuff hasn't been very helpful so far).
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Took a gamble on a weekend that looked like 60% rain and ended up with dry track for 95% of the weekend.
Got there around 9:00 on Friday night and the lower lot was completely packed and so was upper area, was surprised how many people were there for it being a possible rainy weekend. Rain held off until about 3:00 AM and then it poured buckets for a while, was woken up by rain pinging off my rainfly...luckily my tent is pretty decent and hasn't leaked yet.

Went out for first session, track was still damp but no standing water...only me and about 6 other guys ventured out...by end of my session the line was starting to dry up and the sun was burning off the rest of the track. Sun stayed out and was nice and warm until the end of the day. For the first session or two I was working on changing up my gears in a couple locations, I realized I was running a gear high in a few places which was costing me time in short straights and punching onto the main straight. Before lunch I hooked up with Gregor the one coach I work with a lot and ran a session with him. After that session he gave me two tips to work on for getting a better line in T3 and T12, he also said I was picking up a lot of speed compared to the last weekend and he wanted to eval me at the end of the day. After lunch worked on my line for those turns and worked on some braking zone changes for T1 (That turn always fucks me up). End of the day I went out with Gregor again and rode an eval session with him. It was an awesome session, I was already getting by about everyone on the track and he gave me a tow for one lap where I think I exceeded all speeds I had gone before. At the end of the day I bumped up to the E3 group with Evolve GT.

Day two the track was mostly dry to start, it had rained from about 5:00 to 8:00 PM the night before and was damp all night. I went out behind my neighbor on his RC390 for my first expert laps. I saw he was on slicks and decided it would be good to follow someone for a few laps to see how the track surface was(I'm running a Q3+ front and Q4 rear). Initially I was a bit nervous I would be getting dumped on in expert but I found myself passing a few people and not getting completely blown past. By lunch session a lot more guys were out who were quite fast, they did make me feel a tad slow but it was awesome to learn some new techniques for different turns. I ended up with a slight lowside in T3 (I'll post the vid later) during session 3, had too much lean angle and on the wrong line front stepped out and slid off track. I knew I was fucked when I drug my elbow and felt the front move a little. My guess is I didn't have any load on the front and I had too tight a grip on the bars. My bike was fine just had to replace a peg which Moto-D hooked me up with, little hole in my suit forearm but nothing major(almost hit the camera man though). Rest of the day went great, I was extremely tired though and started cutting my sessions short for the last two as I was getting sloppy. Missed the last session because I saw rain coming and figured it wasn't worth pushing myself any harder.

TL;DR: No rain to ruin the fun, got a bump to E3, drug my elbow then my body, got fast but still have much to learn! Oh also got a speeding ticket on my way to dinner, apparently dodge rams can accelerate from 0-70mph instantly according to the NY state police
Damn! That's a crazy beard! You and @capitalcrew are beard bros!

Also, congrats on the E3 bump! Welcome to the advance group. Now the fun really starts It doesn't surprise me that you thought at first the E3 group was not all that fast, but then the speed picked up and you felt slow later in the day. That seems to be a common trend with track days. Most people are way slow in the first session or two and then they gradually pick up the pace. I swear I've done some track days where the first session felt like being in novice group almost and by the end of the day felt like I was a backmarker in an expert race! lol

After I started racing I stopped doing that, so now I push it right away as long as conditions are good. At race events we often only get one or maybe 2 short practice sessions, so there's no time to take it easy. Don't have all day to "get up to speed". This last weekend at NCbike with EvolveGT, I set a new PB on the 4th lap of the day. I didn't get much faster after that, but was consistently running around that lap time.

Still hoping I run into you one of these times at a track lol You should come on down to NCbike first weekend in October with Evolve.

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