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post #1 of 16 Old 12-28-2019, 08:15 AM Thread Starter
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Buying C(E)-bay parts mainly throttle bodies

Hello all,
hey I was wondering if anyone had any luck purchasing throttle bodies off C(E)-bay.
I've been having the issue of dealing with clogged fuel filter and potentially a bad TPS from trying to deal with the 6,ooo RPM stall.
I was thinking since I'm having a hard time getting the bike to stay on after fully charging the battery it was a fuel issue. ive chaged out the fuel filter and pump with a new Quantum model had the injectors cleaned I think its the throttle bodies.
- has anyone tried rebuilding a set of throttle bodies and syncing them, is it hard ?
- has any made that purchase where the outcome was successful ?

I'm thinking since they do advertise parts have been tested it would turn out well for the price.
any insight would help
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post #2 of 16 Old 12-28-2019, 08:19 AM Thread Starter
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Here is a link of what I'm thinking of getting:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-2006-K...sAAOSwKBVZuZxW
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post #3 of 16 Old 12-29-2019, 04:58 AM
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If you have a fuel related problem, start at the source. What does the inside of the tank look like? How about the fuel pump? What does the intake filter look like?

If the bike stalls out above a certain RPM, that may be due to fuel starvation. Everything you're thinking about at this point, could easily be symptoms rather than root cause.

Pull the tank.

Pull the pump assembly out.

Take pictures. Share them with us.

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post #4 of 16 Old 12-29-2019, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
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Yes understood..
I have drained the tank and had the injectors cleaned from a dealer, installed a quantum model fuel pump.

question is has anyone had success buying parts off eBay? I have heard stories of riders building bikes off ebay alone but never any success stories; mainly used parts etc.

now the more I search I'm considering of looking into getting a throttle body set from a 2018 ninja 636 if it will work in a 2005 636 just to be sure the part will deliver fuel but just not sure of parts from eBay when they say "100% good and tested"

I'm also thinking of obtaining the motion pro injector cleaner tool if anyone has had any luck with it and getting a set of throttle bodies off eBay..

sorry if I wasn't clear enough..
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I can't tell you what the quality of used parts available on eBay might be. There's obviously a wide range of quality. If you have to go that route, deal with someone who puts your funds into escrow until you know they work as advertised.

I can't think the injectors from '18+ will work on '05-'06. throttle bodies are almost certainly also going to be different. ECU programming is certainly different.... that is likely to throw everything else off. I'd recommend sticking with the same era parts. If you want parts with a guarantee, go straight to the horse's mouth. Mother Kawasaki will provide, if you have the cash to do so.

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Do you have the shop manual for your bike, available on this site for free? You should be able to troubleshoot your TPS with the diagnostics there. A digital multimeter will be sufficient.
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ok all..
here is the update to this thread.

so I went back in and removed the tank, drained out the fuel and re-blew the injectors top and bottom, tested the TPS.
This is what I found..

the fuel that I use, premium octane, the highs available at the pump. come to find out it has ethanol. What I mean by this is the additives at the pump settle at the bottom. I pumped 2 gallons into a container and took it home. I then poured into a see through container and seen there was additives lingering at the bottom. To fix this, I wanted to use Helix 5&1 but was unavailable yesterday being New Years Day. Went to O-Riley's and got some STA-BIL 360, mixed it in. The fuel when sitting will tend to degrade and collect water causing rust type sediments

fuel injectors, did a jimmy rig apparatus to blow the injectors out to the point there was an even spray at the nozzle. worked out pretty well.
before doing this I went to Motion-pro and got the injector tool so I wouldn't have the issue of trying to blow out my injectors, jimmy rig worked but not ideal. incase anyone is trying to get the pigtails, you will need two types. Should be coming in the mail today but the task is already done.

TPS, so I went to you tube and checked out what others are doing to check the TPS for serviceability, there's a clip in there on how to on a ZX10 which did the trick, my volt meter did the trick to check the parameters open and closed. To bad there's no way to adjust it for optimizing. if it has been done please chime in. I could go back in and adjust it proper. there's a TPS Tool that would help, was thinking of purchasing but only if it can be adjusted if not the voltmeter is fine.

Reassemble, well the Manual says not to turn the key on while the fuel is not connected to the fuel rails but in my case it had to be done in order to blow out the fuel that was lingering in the fuel line before the rails and in the pump itself. it was well worth it. Didn't want to push old fuel again back to the injectors.

This is what I found, if the TPS can be adjusted it would benefit operation but I think it does not adjust. However, the throttle response to idle seems sluggish so I had to adjust the idle screw to the point it would not turn off when at a stop coming off the throttle.
I also found out that if there's a system down, like a Coil on Plug not fully seated it will temporary shut off fuel delivery to the system but will still stay running, at least that's how I read it in the service manual.
Fuel, I would recommend to all that if there was time to trouble shoot your bike on fuel delivery (FI) its pretty easy to do, but there are steps I failed to check and that was fuel quality and empty the fuel line before running the FI system before the injectors. otherwise its pretty straight forward.

next, selling the bike..
I'm listing bike picks to see how much I could get, I'm looking to get 2,000, many extra parts tools and accessories, break pads, new front tire and new color chain are in order
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Your last picture, of the injector plug....... looking past that at the intakes of your head.... yikes! Is there really all that rust and schlock inside the throttle body throat?

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Yea, it all came from using that fuel with what ever ethanol additives they use at the pump.. and of course sitting for some time. that is why I'm trying to get the helix 5-1 additive , apparently its supposed to help but the bike runs really good now just have to add the dyno jet custom map back on ..

not sure how I'm going to have to clean that out.. probably do a cylinder head rebuild or something

https://www.denniskirk.com/helix-rac...=All+Products&


yea its not bad, just looks bad .. the fuel, once checking it while in something clear is really bad, that is why I recommend everyone to just take a look see at what the fuel looks like from their local vendor..

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here she is , runs nice
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Congrats on making the bike run better.

All of that garbage HAD to come through your injectors.... or that bike was underwater at some point in time. If you're looking to sell it, I would recommend cleaning that up. I can't imagine what the inside of the tank must look like, to put that much garbage through the injectors. What that would have done to the inside of the pump, and the injectors..... good thing you've cleaned the injectors, and replaced the pump; if you didn't preserve the inside of the tank to prevent it from rusting again odds are fair the fuel system will load up and die at some point in the future when the rust returns.

Modern injectors are multiple hole set ups, that have laser etched holes that are so small they are difficult to see with the naked eye. I'd have a hard time believing you could bring those back, 100%. Certainly better than what they were; whether they are 'as good as new' is another story entirely.

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Have you had a chance to do a compression test on that bike?

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no not a compression test yet but I can easily nock that out..
yea the inside of the tank did in fact have bits of the strainer from the last fuel pump when it deteriorated, its mainly powder that came through the injectors but they were not harmed and they did come clean fairly easy and 100%, ill never take them things to a dealer to have them cleaned ever.
what you see there along the edges is more of a powdery type glaze from the fuel being so dirty. I am however considering doing a cylinder head rebuild type deal soon as I can figure out who does them in the area .. probably dealer, them dudes are over zealous when it comes to charging..
now that it runs right and getting it to take a nice spin , ill go back in and see what I can do about getting the heads rebuild ..
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Do a rebuild if you need to..... if the compression is in the right range, and even across all cylinders, no need to do a top end job. Setting the valve clearances.... that's something you should do regardless. If the tank was that bad, you know routine maintenance was not performed. Better to know it's right, than blow up the motor.

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for tank, once it has rust .. at 700 for a new tank its not cost effective to replace a tank or get a used one .. right now I'm looking for a tank restore kit to clean out the rust and potentially coat the inside of the tank. what do people here recommend ?
POR15 kit ?
any success stories ?
2005 is really old for a tank .. a new coating inside the tank is probably the way forward ..

the good news here is the vendor on Ebay stopped the shipping process before it was delivered and returned the throttle bodies I had bought for 230.00 for a 25.00 restock fee, not too bad.
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