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Random orbital buffers?

When I painted the side panel on the bike, I did all the buffing by hand. On something as small as that, it didn't warrant using any power tools.

I've been looking into buffing tools on line, and there's obviously been a lot of growth in this area over the past 20 years. I have no idea how deep I want to go into this; I have no interest in opening a detail shop, I simply have one motorcycle and two road vehicles I would like to be able to polish out the wax on. Possibly use the tools to remove minor imperfections that have accumulated over the time I've owned the car and SUV.

Anyone with direct experience?

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Interested in this as well. I always wanted a buffer.


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I could go the extremely cheap route and buy the disc that mounts to a drill, with the correct hoods, etc., that doesn't give you the 'anti-swirl' that the random orbit part of the design provides. Reading up on the whole thing, noobies should use tools that don't have a direct mechanical connection between the pad and the motor so the pad can stall out before it burns paint. Since I have a very low battery power drill, that option has been in consideration.

I also own a random orbital sander--that one is a corded unit, but really a palm sized unit. That one, I would consider using in place of a dedicated buffer, if I can buy a pad kit for it.

As the low end buffer units are pretty cheap, I'm not convinced either of those options is justified compared to buying a tool that is right for the job from the get-go.

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I have one of those "cheap" (sub $40) 10" units and it works fine on the truck and car, but it is a bit big, although perfectly useable...... I think it is autospa brand?- almost brainless to use

I have a 35 year old circular polisher, also 10", weighs about 20 lbs and all steel........works great as long as you know how to use it, but yep, can leave swirls, quick learning curve and one is golden...... (this thing was several hundred back in the day, and has seen thousands of hours of use, this is the one I still use today on many of the customers bikes when I need/want to make them really shine- it does not get in every nook and cranny, but it makes fast work of fuel tanks and the flatish areas and mufflers

Then I have a 6" palm held porter cable unit, I love this one for its light weight and ease to handle- plus getting around the decal kit on the Mustang its smaller size makes that much easier, but it is easier in door jambs, up the A and B pillars and around all the nooks and crannies of the deck lid and fascias....worth every penny of the $140ish I paid and if I could only have one.............. this would be it it is the easiest to handle and most forgiving to use and its lightweight and manueverability make quick work even in close quarters.... (I am sure there are tons of them in many brands that work fine)

Just one review of some auto geeks on 2019 units......
https://www.carbibles.com/best-car-b...hers-reviewed/
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Do you have any general rules on what RPM you run at?

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foam applicator about 1300-1500 rpms

wool applicator between 1500-2000

when used for buffing off what you put on- I run it full speed....... 3000 rpm on two of these, 4000 rpm on the other......
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--- it's pretty exhausting looking through all of the specs on the huge number of options in this area. using your speed numbers for a reference helps with that; most of the ones I'm looking at don't go as slow as you run at for anything other than buffing.

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foam applicator about 1300-1500 rpms

wool applicator between 1500-2000

when used for buffing off what you put on- I run it full speed....... 3000 rpm on two of these, 4000 rpm on the other......
I'm presuming from the above, the foam pads are the surface prep (deglaze, swirl removal, scratch reduction), the wool is for the sealant or waxes?

I guess there is another pad used for the polishing? Microfiber or some such?

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I have a Ryobi corded one, works OK like riverszzr said. They also make a battery operated one that that uses their 18V battery. I have several of their 18V tools and have a good set of batteries which is convent when doing stuff like cutting bamboo with the sawsall or using the side grinder. Corded tools are more powerful but nice to have the portability of battery powered stuff. They make a nice portable air compressor. It's on my 'want list" as I get tired of dragging the air hose around every time I have to check tire pressure on all the vehicles.
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I'm presuming from the above, the foam pads are the surface prep (deglaze, swirl removal, scratch reduction), the wool is for the sealant or waxes?

I guess there is another pad used for the polishing? Microfiber or some such?
I use the use the foam to apply;
wax
sealant
fine polishing compound........whatever.............. higher speeds throws alot of it off and everywhere, plus higher speeds tend to wear out the foam pads quickly

the wool pad applicator I use for serious scratch removal with a heavier cutter and while I have used it for wax or fine polishing as well. the foam applicator works much better

always a microfiber at full speed for removal of whatever I am installing- I change that about every panel (car/truck) or can usually get a whole bike done with one, then go over it by hand with a new clean microfiber when done to ensure it is spotless and all seams are clean....

I am by no means a buffing expert and honestly I don't even do my own vehicles very often......... But these have worked for me whenever I have done more than hand apply and hand remove (which is more often than using a machine)
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In the car world, the golden standard is Procter and cable, for the cost and performance. Based on that, I bought one like 9 years ago, and it is a great tool. Of course, to do it right, you need all the goodies, foam pads etc. that can get pricey. I have done the complete cut/polish/glaze/wax on my cars in the past, and it restores paint on old cars like new. Even on new cars, it gives that extra gloss shine and depth.


Anyway, this is the one I have. It is actually almost 50% cheaper nowadays than 10 years ago.

https://www.amazon.com/PORTER-CABLE-.../dp/B002654I46
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