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post #1 of 18 Old 09-10-2019, 11:41 PM Thread Starter
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On my 3rd set of Avon Storm 3D XM.... Still happy with them.

I was having a discussion about chicken strips yesterday, and inspected mine. They've never been the same width front to back, the profiles seemed to be such that the edge of the rear got closer than the front.... At least on set 1&2.

Set 3, there's 1/8th " that hasn't ever been scrubbed on the front, and probably 2/3rds" on the back. Used to be near an inch up front.

I'm guessing this is due to suspension and geometry changes, with the fork refresh, and replaced shock

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Judging from your suspension improvements, I think you're using more lean angle.

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that's my thought as well..... it's much more stable and predictable, which then gives me more confidence in the bike. Very little bob and weave involved any more. Point it and go. Look for where you want to be, not at where you are. Almost on rails, at this point.

As good as my FZ6 was, after GP suspension fixed my damper rod fork, and we added the Ohlins to the back.
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I've been thinking about this a lot also. How much do you think riding style and experience play into this? When I've followed you, I'm watching your setup and body position going in. I notice you ride into corners much deeper than I do. With my level of experience, I'm still gaining the confidence to get in deeper. Then my focus switches to what I'm doing. When I switch back to you, you've gotten way ahead, so I'm harder on the throttle coming out.

And after talking the other day, I've been doing that even when you aren't around.
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My cornering technique is based on MSF and Team Oregon training..... It's primary goal is to ensure I have a clear exit, before I commit to the turn. I am extending my sightline through the corner to the maximum extent possible. Go in straight and deep, then commit.

I only go as fast as I can stop, in the space that I can see.

Using a delayed apex, allows me to brake longer in a fully vertical mode, before I consume traction turning. Until I can see the corner exit is clear, I do not accelerate..... Maintenance throttle, to keep the chassis stable, by having a constant load on the suspension, so the steering rake/trail remains constant......

Both msf sport bike riders course, and Team Oregon advanced rider course trained me to be able to continue braking, even after I have started turning. Understanding how to budget traction between steering and braking, and what proportion is available at a given point in a turn has saved me from myself more than once.

I cannot over emphasize formal training on a closed course. Reducing the extraneous variables, and direct observation by trained instructors who can communicate exactly what is actually going on is very nearly priceless.
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You just look so effortless and stable, while I feel like a scared rabbit trying to avoid becoming lunch. And I think our tires are showing that difference in ability. I do ride faster with you.....and you know the couple times I needed to stop and empty my shorts. Lol
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You just look so effortless and stable, while I feel like a scared rabbit trying to avoid becoming lunch. And I think our tires are showing that difference in ability. I do ride faster with you.....and you know the couple times I needed to stop and empty my shorts. Lol
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The very reason I wanted to ride with someone of your level. Not much of my car experience carries over
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A golden rule to live by.......(at least on the street) never ride faster than you are comfortable with. Listen to the voices in your head, when they urge caution. Being fast on a poorly set up bike is much more dangerous than doing so on one that is. Neither is free of risk. Any one thing can throw it out the window; accidents usually occur as many little accidents compound. Can't really blame the straw for breaking the camel's back....
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I've been thinking about this a lot also. How much do you think riding style and experience play into this? When I've followed you, I'm watching your setup and body position going in. I notice you ride into corners much deeper than I do. With my level of experience, I'm still gaining the confidence to get in deeper. Then my focus switches to what I'm doing. When I switch back to you, you've gotten way ahead, so I'm harder on the throttle coming out.

And after talking the other day, I've been doing that even when you aren't around.
The more consistent and predictable the bike's responses are, the less time you need to spend on worrying about that, which affords you more time to look ahead...... The farther down your intended path you are looking, the more time you have to process information and predict outcomes for potential scenarios..... Small changes can have big effects, over time.

Smooth riding is the result of long term planning. Trying to see beyond the next second or two takes practice. At 60 mph, we're covering 120 feet per second. Roughly 20 bike lengths. Deciding where you want to be in 10 seconds is about 1/4 miles away.

It's not really about physical strength, or superhuman reflexes...... Planning. I try for 30+ seconds into the future.....
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I have tried tons of different brands of tires and some I can easily get to the edge front and rear
some only to the edge of the rear and not the front
others not to either

Hell even on the track I could not get within 1/2" of the edge on the front and was barely to the edge (or within 1/16th) on the rear.....

I do not really care if I get to the edge or not like many do...... I do however care how the tire feels, reacts, performs and gives feedback to me.....
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Lloyd, I was more concerned with the fact that I am getting to the edge of the front......I'm eating further into my safety margin than I am accustomed to. Complacency kills. Just because I can, doesn't mean I should....
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Lloyd, I was more concerned with the fact that I am getting to the edge of the front......I'm eating further into my safety margin than I am accustomed to. Complacency kills. Just because I can, doesn't mean I should....
No, I get it.........

even once you do touch the edge of the tread, the tire will roll and flex quite a bit to hold you there before you start getting smaller contact patch again........... just saying

but I get it, you are using more and have less reserve remaining.......but- is it really less?- to worry about it may be useless and senseless as it may be a total non issue in practice?? too many variables to say with any certainty from my computer chair...........

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I can see that the 'touch' is a very very small percentage of the time on the tire.... Just enough to see it's been scrubbed a very few times. I have to think I've had the bike that far over previously; I've dabbed my toe when duck fitted on the pegs.

This will have been a slow speed turn, methinks.

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I'm not sure what your question is? Less "chicken strip" = more lean?

Don't worry about strips on a road bike, just ride to your comfort and ability. The second you hit a track those chicken strips will come right off, you rarely [safely/legally] get to hit the angles and speed you need to munch the tyres up on the edges whilst on the street anyway.
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