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post #16 of 66 Old 08-17-2019, 02:32 PM
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If using tire irons is really that simple I'll give it a shot. I'm ordering a static tire balancer, rim protectors and some motion pro irons that also act as a bead breaker. If I'm not happy with the results I'll order a no-mar machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAKIuSjPXxA
any sport bike tire you can push the front tire beads right over the rim without tire irons, hell even some of the sport touring tires......... the warmer the tire the easier it is- ie...........set them in the sun for 20 minutes while you remove the old tires

and bead lube works magic!!!
rears, you can push the first bead over by hand easily........... the second bead, the three tire iron method is the way to go....... ie
align balance dot with the valve stem and put one tire iron 180* across from that and push down
second tire iron about 45* around to the right (but if left handed maybe to the left is better for you)........ I put my knee on that one and keep it pinned down
take 3rd tire iron and put about 45* to left and puch down
remove 1st tire iron move another 45* to left and push down
remove 3rd tire iron and put it another 45* around to left, push down
remove 1st tire iron and put it another ~45* and push the last of the bead over and you are done.........pull out all your tire irons and inflate

removal is actually even easier than install really

break the beads on both sides all the way around
install the 3 rim protectors side by side by side, touching generally
spray in some bead lube (or swipe it with an applicator)
one tire iron in center and one to right, flip them both in (lifting the bead over the rims edge), then take 3rd tire iron and put it in about 5" to right or left (depends on your prefferred side... I do left) and flip it over, remove tire irons and pull the rest off by hand
flip rim over and put all three tire irons on the lower rim lip (with protectors and plenty of lube) spaced about 4-5" apart.......... you will know 100% when you have the right spacing (an inch too far will be difficult or impossible to flip 3rd iron, too close and you won't be able to simply push the tire off easily once all three irons are flipped over)
flip down the end, then the middle then the other end and then simply push down by hand on that off the bead area side of the tire andthe entire tire drops down the barrell to the floor

almost no sportbike tire takes me more than 5 minutes once the tire is deflated til the new is on and re-inflated

so you have something to shoot for..........if you get them down to sub 10 minutes you are doing pretty good but you may well take 15 or 20 minutes until you have done it a couple times...........

It really is super easy and fast once you have done it a few times and have the technique down!!
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fyi.........the video in post 14 and those rim protectors suck ass--------- no way no how would I ever try and do it that way, nor would I use that balancer- get one with bearings and two sides!!

I have some super small cheapo ones that never fly off and let the tire iron touch the rim and the 3 tire iron method is far easier than what he shows......... and a barrell is way better than being on the ground.......... the barrell holds the wheel stationary just like a real machine with jaws that clamp .. and makes everything way easier!!!


something like these for rim protectors...........throw the ropes away

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...m-protectors-p

something like this for the wheel balancer stand

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...truing-stand-p

these are my everyday tire irons for 90% of the tires.........although I do have some of the 15" curved ones too that don't see much use, but do see use....

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...ro-tire-iron-p

samples.......buy anywhere- they were just first google search to pop up
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fyi.........the video in post 14 and those rim protectors suck ass--------- no way no how would I ever try and do it that way, nor would I use that balancer- get one with bearings and two sides!!

I have some super small cheapo ones that never fly off and let the tire iron touch the rim and the 3 tire iron method is far easier than what he shows......... and a barrell is way better than being on the ground.......... the barrell holds the wheel stationary just like a real machine with jaws that clamp .. and makes everything way easier!!!


something like these for rim protectors...........throw the ropes away

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...m-protectors-p

something like this for the wheel balancer stand

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...truing-stand-p

these are my everyday tire irons for 90% of the tires.........although I do have some of the 15" curved ones too that don't see much use, but do see use....

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...ro-tire-iron-p

samples.......buy anywhere- they were just first google search to pop up

I have that balance stand, works great.
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If using tire irons is really that simple I'll give it a shot. I'm ordering a static tire balancer, rim protectors and some motion pro irons that also act as a bead breaker. If I'm not happy with the results I'll order a no-mar machine.
That's a pretty reasonable approach. Have you ever used irons before? Make sure you have some tire lube, it is essential. A pro tip is to leave the new tire in the sun for a bit to let it warm up and soften up some, cold lots of them can be a bitch to get on.


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Our Dunlop guy at the track charges $20 whether you buy from him or not so I just take a new one up (Dunlop Q3's from Revzilla) and change the rear out every 4 or 5 days on track (front is less frequent). I "recycle" the used track tires on to my street bike (well the center has plenty of tread) at a local shop for more than $20 but less than $100.

However, I remembered that there was a tire changer that used the receiver hitch on your truck to give it stability and found this
(Cycle Hill Motorcycle Tire Changer), which ultimately takes us back to the No Mar you first asked about, just with a different mounting approach.
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I'm getting tired of all the local shops charging 100$+ for tire changes with tires brought in off the bike.

Anybody know of any cheaper options that work just as well as the No-Mar products?

This unit would be around 450$. It would pay for itself with 5 changes.

https://www.nomartirechanger.com/Pro...ode=TC-CH100HD

Learn to take off your own wheels, you can just bring the wheels to the shop and typically it will only cost you about $20 to $25 per wheel for a change.

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Learn to take off your own wheels, you can just bring the wheels to the shop and typically it will only cost you about $20 to $25 per wheel for a change.
Re-read jd's post. He is taking the wheels off and bringing just those in.

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I got my tire spoons a balancer and a stand. Just waiting on the stand that should be here by Monday. Oh, and also picked up a 5 gal air tank from harbor freight.

I already had a bead breaker and I think the stand will make it much easier to avoid damaging the brake discs.

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A friend and I use the Harbor Freight combo along with a No-Mar bar (all together about $200):

Manual Tire Changer:
https://www.harborfreight.com/manual...q=tire+changer

Motorcycle Tire Changer Attachment:
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@jd41 , I was very close to getting a No-Mar one but after trying it out at a friend's house and both of us struggling for like 20 minutes to get a damn tire changed I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. Shops can be pretty expensive which is why I also stopped doing that. I now only use the tire vendors at the track to get my tires changed. They charge around $15-20 per wheel, or if I'm buying tires from them mounting is free. This year I probably spent no more than $100 on tire mounting and balancing and I've gone through 2-3 fronts and like 5 rears, some of which I also had to flip. I'd rather just drop them off, not deal with the hassle of doing it manually myself, and then they're ready for pick up in about 15 minutes or less if there's no line.
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@jd41 , I was very close to getting a No-Mar one but after trying it out at a friend's house and both of us struggling for like 20 minutes to get a damn tire changed I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. Shops can be pretty expensive which is why I also stopped doing that. I now only use the tire vendors at the track to get my tires changed. They charge around $15-20 per wheel, or if I'm buying tires from them mounting is free. This year I probably spent no more than $100 on tire mounting and balancing and I've gone through 2-3 fronts and like 5 rears, some of which I also had to flip. I'd rather just drop them off, not deal with the hassle of doing it manually myself, and then they're ready for pick up in about 15 minutes or less if there's no line.
I'm struggling with a set right now with a NoMar. I don't do this enough to get proficient. After having tires changed at the track this year. I agree local tire vendor is the best thing going for convenience and cost.

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@jd41 , I was very close to getting a No-Mar one but after trying it out at a friend's house and both of us struggling for like 20 minutes to get a damn tire changed I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. Shops can be pretty expensive which is why I also stopped doing that. I now only use the tire vendors at the track to get my tires changed. They charge around $15-20 per wheel, or if I'm buying tires from them mounting is free. This year I probably spent no more than $100 on tire mounting and balancing and I've gone through 2-3 fronts and like 5 rears, some of which I also had to flip. I'd rather just drop them off, not deal with the hassle of doing it manually myself, and then they're ready for pick up in about 15 minutes or less if there's no line.
I took the tire off in 10 min no problem. I'll mount tomorrow and report. UPS did not deliver my packages today

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It's hard for me to understand the troubles you guys are having changing tires.

I built this tire machine off a Coats 220 base. I can mount/flip then balance a tire in a couple minutes easily.

It has saved me hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

Find a technique that works and perfect it. Lay the tires out in the sun or put a warmer on them for a bit will help. Also use a lube like hair spray or Windex.

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Took me about 5 minutes to remove the rear tire. I'm mounting and balancing today.
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