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You talk about Laguna Seca?? If so, I don't see how any of the brakes are useful at that spot when the wheels should be up in the air if you're really going fast through there. And if on your bike they're not up in the air, then you're clearly going slower and need not brake anyway

You're right lol. But I was thinking that type scenario where the wheel gets off the ground too much. It happens a lot at Buttonwillow at turn 5 I think. There's a huge bump where I always wheelie and since I never use the rear brake it'll be useful to being it back down.
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Brakes only slow you down. Also if the front wheel won't stay down, just remove it since it's not doing you any good anyway.

Lighter=better right ?
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I had 15/45 gearing using the stock chain length and it kept wheeling at WOT all the time. Short wheelbase is a no no on this bike. Swapped out to the 43 tooth rear with and both wheeling and handling stable now.

15/45 only works using 114 links.

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A lot of things I might want to adjust the wheel base for. Wheeling wouldn't be at the top of the list..
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A lot of things I might want to adjust the wheel base for. Wheeling wouldn't be at the top of the list..
It wasn't just wheeling. Was also having some turning issues that I've discussed previously. The bike handling was a mess after crashing some time ago. Suspension guy at the track helped out with the changes.

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Also @Otto Man you're the most baby boomer-like stereotype person here.
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You're right lol. But I was thinking that type scenario where the wheel gets off the ground too much. It happens a lot at Buttonwillow at turn 5 I think. There's a huge bump where I always wheelie and since I never use the rear brake it'll be useful to being it back down.
Why not just ride out the wheelie. At least people will think you're cool. Nobody's gonna think you're cool if they see you have a thumb brake

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Also @Otto Man you're the most baby boomer-like stereotype person here.
I'm pretty sure he's like in his 30s. He's one of Trackday Junkies's biggest trolls, but in a really hilarious way lol

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Why not just ride out the wheelie. At least people will think you're cool. Nobody's gonna think you're cool if they see you have a thumb brake


I'm pretty sure he's like in his 30s. He's one of Trackday Junkies's biggest trolls, but in a really hilarious way lol
Wheelie or no wheelie the only people that think motorcycles are cool nowadays kids, that is if their eyeballs aren't stuck to their phone . lol

lol. Still sounds like a baby boomer.

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This package is what I'm expecting. Still deciding whether I'll keep the foot MC or just use the thumb brake. I'm leaning towards the latter.

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Also @Otto Man you're the most baby boomer-like stereotype person here.
Well. I'm a bit of an interesting character, or so I've been told. I think what can confuse people is that 90% of the time I have zero filter and speak or type the first thing on my mind. The other 10% of the time I manage to put on my professional face when required. Being professional means I just filter the first thoughts that pop into my head. LOL

I really am an extremely helpful person. There are a ton of people that will vouch for that. I have given out my spares to others when they crashed so they can keep riding. There have been times that I have driven people's rigs homes after they crashed and were unable to drive home, driving 3 hours out of my way. There's been times I've driven their rigs to my house until they were able to come get them once out of the hospital. I didn't even fucking know the person. But I do that because the love of the sport and don't post about it on social media in an attempt to draw attention to myself, in fact, I have never talked about those types of situations until this post.

But in the same breath, I have zero patience for lazy people, which is why you'll typically see two types of replies from me on here: Unfiltered ones and helpful ones. Don't get confused - both are unfiltered replies, but what type of response it is depends on the question. It's 2019 and if you are incapable of using google for the basic questions, well, my typical unfiltered response is going to be a smart ass one. You will get two drastic different replies from me if it's obvious you've attempted to research the problem or if you're just a lazy turd that can't be bothered to google or search for it on this forum. I've had a billion questions about Kawi's. I've posted very little questions...why do you think that is? Moving on to this thread in particular...

I'm not a fast racer, but I race with fast people. I am a solid mid pack club level expert, which to be honest, isn't all that difficult to achieve, especially since I can do it. Myself, like most any other racer, have been guilty on many occasions on blaming the bike setup for whatever it's doing wrong and why I can't go faster on it. In the last couple of years, I've had some truly fast people ride my endurance bike. And those mother fuckers get on that damn thing and click off laps 3+ seconds a lap faster than I can. Some of them never rode a 09-12 platform before that day. So how do you explain that? I want to blame the motor for getting tired and lacking that last bit of "umph" that a fresher motor would have. Then they go 3 seconds faster. They put 10 laps on a bike they've never ridden, and on lap 11, have gone faster on it than I ever have. Fuck me, right?!

I do have some damn good consistency on my lap times and I know exactly what I am, and am not, capable of. And I have worked with literally hundreds of riders over the years as a coach, and I've seen, and worked with, every type of rider in the paddock. I have seen Novice group guys insist on needing a new set of tires at the beginning of every track day, despite them not being within 45 seconds of the lap record. I have seen Intermediate riders obsess over gearing and tire pressure, when they were absolutely positive that one pound, plus or minus, was the reason "the bike is handling like shit and has no grip". Meanwhile, I go out and watch them on track, and they can't fucking hit two apexes in a row. They don't trail brake, at all, and wonder why the bike doesn't turn in well. Yeah, it's the bike setup alright...

Any modern bike, made in the last 15 years, is capable of running advanced group track day pace off the show room floor with a modern hypersport tire like a Q3 on it.
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I'm pretty sure he's like in his 30s. He's one of Trackday Junkies's biggest trolls, but in a really hilarious way lol
You would be correct

Troll is the wrong term. Honestly I hardly ever troll anyone. The last few times was fucking with the technical Nazi's that flip shit over "leader bike" and feel the need to correct them. That's trolling. 95% of the shit I post on FB are my actual thoughts...making memes about the shit you see in the paddock is just all in good fun.

But like my previous post, ask stupid questions, get stupid answers. You just won't see me giving too much heart felt advice on there because society has morphed into this instant gratification society where they can't be bothered to Google basic shit like oil capacity of their bikes, or can't resist beating the "how's my tire wear or BP" dead horse posts. I always help out people (if I can) that have made an obvious attempt to figure out their own problem first.
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I'm not a fast racer, but I race with fast people. I am a solid mid pack club level expert, which to be honest, isn't all that difficult to achieve, especially since I can do it. Myself, like most any other racer, have been guilty on many occasions on blaming the bike setup for whatever it's doing wrong and why I can't go faster on it. In the last couple of years, I've had some truly fast people ride my endurance bike. And those mother fuckers get on that damn thing and click off laps 3+ seconds a lap faster than I can. Some of them never rode a 09-12 platform before that day. So how do you explain that? I want to blame the motor for getting tired and lacking that last bit of "umph" that a fresher motor would have. Then they go 3 seconds faster. They put 10 laps on a bike they've never ridden, and on lap 11, have gone faster on it than I ever have. Fuck me, right?!
This basically sums up my track day/racing life for the last several years lol

I pretty much got my GPX Pro data logger mainly so I can have faster guys ride my bike and see what the hell it is that they're doing that I'm not (although fundamentally I already know the answer to that...more gas, less brakes) lol

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Need some more info on thumb brakes. On many occasions I've had to pull over due to right hip flexor cramps when riding. It happens mostly when applying pressure to the plantar area, not on the ball.

I occasionally want to use the rear brake but don't due to this so I'm considering a thumb brake.

Anyone know if they outright replace the rear MC or work in conjunction with it?

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