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Question Brembo Suspersport Rotor Brake Pad Options, 13+ zx6r

I recently purchased a pair of Brembo 320mm oversize rotors for my zx6r (great price I couldn't pass up on ) but have found limited pad options.

The brembo rotor specs a maximum surface area of 34mm and the majority of pads for 13+ zx6rs are 35mm. The only pads available in 32mm are SBS RS (sinter), DC (carbon) and Brembo, not readily available in the USA, SC (sinter), RC (carbon) compounds.
Ideally, I would like to use Vesrah's but don't know if the 35mm would cause any issues. If so I could swap out the calipers for R1/R1 etc. calipers to use Vesrahs. Otherwise I'd probably go with ordering Brembo SC overseas as needed. . Winter project.

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post #2 of 66 Old 12-26-2018, 11:55 AM
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Cant you just fit the 35mm (presume thats what you got now) and see what the contact area is and whether its hitting anything

I recently bought new discs - I was supplied 300mm instead of 310mm - bike was at a mates and he offered to fit them and never checked!!! Brakes worked fine though!
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Cant you just fit the 35mm (presume thats what you got now) and see what the contact area is and whether its hitting anything

I recently bought new discs - I was supplied 300mm instead of 310mm - bike was at a mates and he offered to fit them and never checked!!! Brakes worked fine though!
I've had that happen when I was shipped the wrong pads that I mistakenly installed (had the same pin spacing) and braking was not adequate at the track. It had inconsistent response at corners. Not until I inspected them did I notice the pad wear akin to yours. That is exactly what I want to avoid.

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I've had that happen when I was shipped the wrong pads that I mistakenly installed (had the same pin spacing) and braking was not adequate at the track. It had inconsistent response at corners. Not until I inspected them did I notice the pad wear akin to yours. That is exactly what I want to avoid.


Hey Brother, go to this shop - it's in your neighbourhood (so to speak). You'll want the 5mm spacers to move your calipers slightly outboard. I've used them every time I've gone to over-sized rotors. They work like a charm. No complaints, none.


https://www.shop.kyleusa.com/Kyle-US...acers-0801.htm


Now I know some rocket scientists will tell you to go down to Ace Hardware, and just buy an 5mm spacer and 'button 'er up.' These are machined to exact tolerances; they also have a machined "lip" on the "downhill side," so, yes there is a 'right way & a wrong way' to installing them. But what this lip does is create a positive load from the caliper. Plain washers can't do that.

I know you'd be a stickler for those sorts of details.

Now... ... ... (silent pause), I know Dan Kyle got caught doing some hinky things as the ÷hlins distributor, but he's 'doing his time to society.' And his products are still top notch.
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Hey Brother, go to this shop - it's in your neighbourhood (so to speak). You'll want the 5mm spacers to move your calipers slightly outboard. I've used them every time I've gone to over-sized rotors. They work like a charm. No complaints, none.


https://www.shop.kyleusa.com/Kyle-US...acers-0801.htm


Now I know some rocket scientists will tell you to go down to Ace Hardware, and just buy an 5mm spacer and 'button 'er up.' These are machined to exact tolerances; they also have a machined "lip" on the "downhill side," so, yes there is a 'right way & a wrong way' to installing them. But what this lip does is create a positive load from the caliper. Plain washers can't do that.

I know you'd be a stickler for those sorts of details.

Now... ... ... (silent pause), I know Dan Kyle got caught doing some hinky things as the ÷hlins distributor, but he's 'doing his time to society.' And his products are still top notch.
He's close by so I pop into their shop once in a while, with cash or money order in hand . I'm holding off on the spacer in case I go with another caliper. But yes, I will need a 5mm spacer if I choose to use SBS or Brembo pads.

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Man dare I ask what happened to Dan Kyle?

So his shop is in VA? I've done lines and rotors, now just need to upgrade calipers...once i get to CCS...which will be 25 track days from now...

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He's close by so I pop into their shop once in a while, with cash or money order in hand . I'm holding off on the spacer in case I go with another caliper. But yes, I will need a 5mm spacer if I choose to use SBS or Brembo pads.

Holy BeeGeezuz, Santa bring you a Fist Full of Dollars? What calipers are you looking at, might I ask?

Now, I'm a huge fan of Brembo at the rear caliper, I am not totally wow-ed by them up front. Call me . I much prefer SBS or Carbone Lorraine pads at the front. Kyle Racing also carry CL pads.

https://www.shop.kyleusa.com/Carbone...-Pads_c196.htm


But when I go to the track, I pull the rotors and give them a session with the brake hone and fit Vesrah at the front. These are the dog's plums. The Best, but damn, they have a price to match.

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Man dare I ask what happened to Dan Kyle?

So his shop is in VA? I've done lines and rotors, now just need to upgrade calipers...once i get to CCS...which will be 25 track days from now...
His shop is in Sand City CA.

This was Kyle for a while



Doesn't bother me. I like his shop. lol.

Stock calipers are fine. Just that only SBS and Brembo make the 32mm brake area pads.


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Holy BeeGeezuz, Santa bring you a Fist Full of Dollars? What calipers are you looking at, might I ask?

Now, I'm a huge fan of Brembo at the rear caliper, I am not totally wow-ed by them up front. Call me . I much prefer SBS or Carbone Lorraine pads at the front. Kyle Racing also carry CL pads.

https://www.shop.kyleusa.com/Carbone...-Pads_c196.htm


But when I go to the track, I pull the rotors and give them a session with the brake hone and fit Vesrah at the front. These are the dog's plums. The Best, but damn, they have a price to match.
I'd like to keep the stock calipers. I loved them with the firm feel and constancy of SRJL's. I've never tried SBS race sinter or dual carbon nor Brembo pads. cbr/zx10r/r6 calipers are cheap and have better pad options with a 32mm surface area. I've only read of @Duc995 changing to R6 calipers.

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So, apart from spacers, are 108mm radial Tokico and Nissin calipers universally interchangeable between bikes?

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Dunno about "universal" but a lot are.

I put the R6/R1 calipers on my 04 zx10r and they were a great improvement. Less initial bite but more progressive/modulation. They did need machining due to 300mm discs. 310mm discs are a straight fit and yours would need a spacer i think. Yamaha pads are very good. There are some good 2nd deals on these in the states - cheaper than over here.

Another option is Brembo M4 calipers (or the similar Brembo that were fitted to some Suzuki for example). Then i think you are limited to Brembo pads which are expensive and dont last. overall it would cost me 2-3 times the cost of the yammie conversion.

Im not sure what to do myself (sticking with 310mm discs though). The zx6r brakes seem pretty good as standard and i havent seen any feedback from anyone doing the Yam conversion.
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The zx6r brakes seem pretty good as standard and i havent seen any feedback from anyone doing the Yam conversion.
I have been very happy with the Ď13 R6 calipers I installed on my Ď12 zx6r; however, I am using oversized Braketech ductile iron rotors at 310 mm. The stock rotors on the bike -at 300 mm- are too small to work. Maybe I just got a bad set of stock calipers on my bike, because even after rebuilding with factory components brake pad wear was uneven, and while using non-sintered pads I could feel the pads grabbing unevenly and pulsing. For some reason I never noticed a problem with the stock calipers while running Vesrah SRJL-XX pads, but I didnít want to use those on my Braketech rotors.

The switch to R6 calipers was not my idea; the suggestion came directly from Braketech and I decided to give it a try. The pads iím using now - Ferodo CPro - arenít produced for the stock zx6r calipers on my Ď12. Buying pads for the R6 calipers is also less expensive since there are only two pads per caliper.
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I have been very happy with the Ď13 R6 calipers I installed on my Ď12 zx6r; however, I am using oversized Braketech ductile iron rotors at 310 mm. The stock rotors on the bike -at 300 mm- are too small to work. Maybe I just got a bad set of stock calipers on my bike, because even after rebuilding with factory components brake pad wear was uneven, and while using non-sintered pads I could feel the pads grabbing unevenly and pulsing. For some reason I never noticed a problem with the stock calipers while running Vesrah SRJL-XX pads, but I didnít want to use those on my Braketech rotors.

The switch to R6 calipers was not my idea; the suggestion came directly from Braketech and I decided to give it a try. The pads iím using now - Ferodo CPro - arenít produced for the stock zx6r calipers on my Ď12. Buying pads for the R6 calipers is also less expensive since there are only two pads per caliper.
How do you like the Cpro's characteristics? Is the pad life adequate? I have a pair of CP1's I can use.

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How do you like the Cpro's characteristics? Is the pad life adequate? I have a pair of CP1's I can use.
So far I like the CPro. I like it, however, due to its lack in overall braking power...which seems counterintuitive. No matter how hard I apply the brakes it comes on smoothly and increases in power as it heats up - no grabby bite at initial application like the Versrahs. I can trail brake to the apex without fear of too much brake power.

The pad life is looking okay, but nowhere near a set of sintered pads. Looks like maybe good for a season of trackdays, so probably 12 trackdays. My Vesrah XX pads would last me more than one season, by far.

I only tried one set of CP1ís and had uneven and premature wear with the stock four-pad calipers. I had to throw out perfectly good pads when only one wore to the limit. Compared to the CPro the CP1 wore much quicker.
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I have been very happy with the Ď13 R6 calipers I installed on my Ď12 zx6r;
cheers for that - think i will give it a go.

did your brake lines fit or did you need longer ones?
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did your brake lines fit or did you need longer ones?
Strike that - i see they changed the calipers on '12 -> 13 models. Mines will be longer!
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