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Most years the amount the tires I sell and install pays all the bills, then the rest of everything else is fluff and fun


Tires are easy peasy, but not very stimulating........... so generally I make sure to do enough of them to make the easy money but not so many as to be bored off my ass and want to beat my head against a wall.
I enjoy most the Valve adjustment services, then the performance work, and then tires, then the mundane clutch/brakes/chain/sprockets and lastly electrical shit.....

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I do not adjust or check valve clearances that way......

I set #1 to TDC and only check #1
I then rotate to # 2 to TDC and only check #2
then #4 to TDC and check only #4
and finally #3 to TDC and only check #3


and yes #1 is left side of bike as you sit on it and look forward.............


but anywhere on the base circle you should get the same clearance, I simply want to use the same part of the base circle on all valves checked..............


So you got your new feeler gauges and how small do they go to? what are the increments?
Iím off tonight so Iíll probably get back to it, although my sister is in town....

Do you recommend coming at the exhaust, or even an inlet or 2, from the front where the fan/radiator is? A couple of them are hard to get to on 06 it seems. Any other hints are always welcome brother.
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The manual is wrong. You canít check all cylinders as per their map. @riverszzr , the only way to do the check is per cylinder.

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I always pull the radiator on every bike so I can have unobstructed access to the exhaust

and many bikes even the throttle bodies are atleast popped out of the clamps(post a good clean of that area of course)

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So basically I forgot that crankshaft revolves 720į for the 4 strokes of any given piston. TDC of 1 and 4 are 360į from each other, as are 2 and 4. I wish the book would have just said that.

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Here's the initial reading. I'm gonna crank the engine and redo.

Seems that exhaust are all low. Does that mean valve or valve seat wear?

Anyway. I'll do a couple more readings, average and let you know what I need.
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My limited experience has been the clearances close up.... Given that the exhaust side deals with a lot more heat, I believe the exhaust side would close up faster.

The valve seats are being beaten into the head. The valve stem remains the same length, so the whole valve moves further 'up' into the head. Towards the cams.
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I figured. All the measurments seem reasonable considering 15k miles

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The nominal gap is there, to account for the expansion of the valves as the engine reaches operating temp. The seal between the seat and the valve will eventually open and allow gasses to exit when they are not supposed to..... that will lead to low compression first, followed by a stuck valve at some later point. They ALWAYS stick in the 'down' position..... the spring is the only thing pulling it back out of the cylinder -- the cam lobe whacks it in there, like a controlled hammer blow.

These motors are all high compression and have no clearance between the valve and the piston. If the valve is still there when the piston arrives, there will be contact. Either the stem of the valve bends, or the piston whacks the valve back 'up'. Or both. Binding will occur shortly after that, and the valve will jam in the down position, and be destroyed. Start to finish, maybe a whole second will go by........ WFO makes it all happen in a more extreme way.

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Here's the initial reading. I'm gonna crank the engine and redo.

Seems that exhaust are all low. Does that mean valve or valve seat wear?

Anyway. I'll do a couple more readings, average and let you know what I need.
Looks like you need to adjust all 16


pretty standard shit I see on 99% of the bikes that arrive for their first adjustment


I do not follow your logic on the 720* since TDC is TDC no matter what and since you earlier said you could not get any feelers in #4 or whatever when you had # 1 @ tdc...... you were the problem not the engine or the book--------- but hey, atleast you got it figured out and learned something
cam lobes of the cyclinder @ TDC compression stroke always face away from each other @ "real" TDC (on inline fours, specifically all the zx6r's) regardless which cylinder is tdc---you must have been trying to check at that other tdc that is on the exhaust stroke (360* out)....lol
learning curve..... I have seen people do far worse (and I have several engines in the shed blown up to prove it)

I would only check the valves on the cylinder at true TDC........but you do it how you want- it is your bike


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the cam profile actually opens and closes the valve super gently- they do not "pound" in or anything unless the clearances are set super loose.......... your valve face will never touch the cylinder head valve seat as hard as when you first install it and "set" the keepers in place upon head assembly, barring some major issue or way lax adjustment service....


--there are/have been some bikes will real soft valve faces that will get "pounded" out of shape but the seat itself rarely gets pounded or mis shapen.........those are old time car world issues long since past
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So basically I forgot that crankshaft revolves 720į for the 4 strokes of any given piston. TDC of 1 and 4 are 360į from each other, as are 2 and 4. I wish the book would have just said that.

1,2,4,3...............

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Hereís my current shim measurments. Due to the fact that my sae/metric combo calipers do not have a second hand for the metric, I gotta get some digitals. My micrometer is sae as well. I had to do conversions that were approximate, as I had no exact digital measurement. I just couldnít get a good 1/1000 reading on the inches which was fluctuating numbers as much as + or - .03mm.

Iíll be remeasuring exact mm so that I can do the conversion to get the absolute best shim. I may be doubling my work, but I gotta be sure.
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The accuracy of the feeler gauge, drives everything else. The measured gap matters most of all. One of the points Lloyd has made is that the gap will change as soon as you change the torque on the bearing caps.

He has stated in the past that it's best to loosen and re torque the caps, before you check the gaps.

The shims may not be flat. If they are dished, the thickness can be off between the wdges, and the center.

Odds are fair, you will change what shim you want in which location at least once more than you want to. Patience.....
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pretty important step to untorque then re-torque with your tq wrench to the desired spec........ and measure again- you may be surprised how much some move

the other very good point........ some of those shims could have a "dent" in the center- either via the valve stem or via the dimple on the bucket---making them essentially thinner than the number stamped on them......... which is why I always make sure to accurate measure their true thickness (inches or metric I do not care)
Then you figure out how much difference between your actual measured clearance...... ie--- if you have .22mm and you desire .275
you need a shim that measures .055mm thicker than the one installed
ie.... if the installed shim measures 2.915mm........... then 2.970 would be ideal (which is roughly a 2.975 shim)

It is very often;
very often....like 2/3 of the time often
that when I adjust valves and have to change a shim size by more than 3 sizes- I generally end up changing again to fine tune it closer to what I desire.....
So yes- you may well get all you new shims installed and then re-measure and end up redoing the entire process again for just a couple of them or for many of them to get them right where you want them.....
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